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Elliot Spitzer Indicted

No suprise with the fall of a “self-rightous media whore” like Spitzer. It never seems to fail that these holier then thou, or pargons of virtue always take the greatest falls.

There was a case outside of Philly, I believe Camden country NJ, where this proscutor, Sam Asbell I believe his name was had to resign comes to mind. Not the same thing, but loved to go on police raids and make himself out as some tough guy. Well one time he claims his car is shoot up by the mob, well upon further investigation it turns out he shoot up his own car. Next thing you know old Sam checks himself into a mental hospital, the last I heard of Sam. That Sheriff out in Arizona who is always on tv talking a good game, real tough guy. Would not suprise me to see this guy fall.

Well Spitzer can join the Ted Hagards, Larry Craigs, and Jimmy Swargarts of the world. Good riddance to them all!!

WAIT a minute, butterbean:

  1. Ted Haggard ONLY got a massage…(and he didn’t swallow!) and

  2. Craig’s foot just accidently went too far into that other stall and accidently touched the foot of that Under Cover officer!

Geez…

Mufasa

Here is a redacted copy of the warrant in this case, which gives a perspective on what the charges may involve:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/TVNews/Nightly%20News/2008/03-March/affidavit.pdf

This is my own little theory, but it’s interesting speculation.

In the NYT Freakonomics Blog, Justin Wolfers posits the idea that we’re focusing on what Spitzer was buying, when with politicians it’s more important to society to focus on what they’re selling (influence, or in the case of an attorney general, perhaps prosecutorial discretion). He said the record for certain prosecutions - namely the mutual fund prosecutions - shows Spitzer was not beholden to special interests.

So, leaving aside the hypocrisy issue for the moment, it is interesting to speculate on what, if anything, Spitzer may have been selling. Wolfers looked to one set of financial prosecutions - but why look so far afield when Spitzer had much more relevant prosecutions: the other prostitution rings.

He prosecuted several other prostitution rings in NY while he was patronizing the Emperor’s Club. Basic economics would seem to indicate that by eliminating the rivals of the Emperor’s Club, he benefited the Emperor’s Club by allowing it to both charge higher fees to customers and charge higher commissions from employees. One can only speculate as to what, if anything, Spitzer may have received in return for such valuable services - again, pure speculation, but very interesting nonetheless.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
This is my own little theory, but it’s interesting speculation.

In the NYT Freakonomics Blog, Justin Wolfers posits the idea that we’re focusing on what Spitzer was buying, when with politicians it’s more important to society to focus on what they’re selling (influence, or in the case of an attorney general, perhaps prosecutorial discretion). He said the record for certain prosecutions - namely the mutual fund prosecutions - shows Spitzer was not beholden to special interests.

So, leaving aside the hypocrisy issue for the moment, it is interesting to speculate on what, if anything, Spitzer may have been selling. Wolfers looked to one set of financial prosecutions - but why look so far afield when Spitzer had much more relevant prosecutions: the other prostitution rings.

He prosecuted several other prostitution rings in NY while he was patronizing the Emperor’s Club. Basic economics would seem to indicate that by eliminating the rivals of the Emperor’s Club, he benefited the Emperor’s Club by allowing it to both charge higher fees to customers and charge higher commissions from employees. One can only speculate as to what, if anything, Spitzer may have received in return for such valuable services - again, pure speculation, but very interesting nonetheless.[/quote]

But more importantly,
she’s hot.

Seriously.
I’d bet he’s probably even in luv with her.

This could turn into the greatest story ever, if he were to:

a. confess his love for her
b. she confess her love for him
c. leave the wife
d. Larry King
e. remarry
f. run for office.

Alessandra Dupre’s MySpace page with a recording of one of her songs.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=69041220

Hey, Spitzer is “toast” and I guess he deserves it, but you gotta admit, she’s FINE ,and it certainly beats the hell out of the Republican Senator Craig doing his Boy’s Room Tap Dance.

EDIT: If you listened to that, then you know she’s not going to be a Diva at La Scala Opera House. On the other hand, she’s every bit as good as the crappy pop singers like Fergie. Already there is speculation as to whether she can launch her career from this:

[quote]100meters wrote:
Seriously.
I’d bet he’s probably even in luv with her.

This could turn into the greatest story ever, if he were to:

a. confess his love for her
b. she confess her love for him
c. leave the wife
d. Larry King
e. remarry
f. run for office.[/quote]

You forgot one:

g. Stick it in her POOPER!

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
He’s a Democrat, we need to keep this on the down low. Only Republican sex scandals are news worthy.[/quote]

Come on, you’ve got to admit, Right-wing guys, this is definitely being covered by the so-called LIBERAL media.

Yes, but the way they are covering it is MUCH different than if Spitzer were a Republican. For example, I have actually seen some reporters questioning if prostitution should be legal!

My point, if this were a Republican, the media would report it like this: “Filthy republican scum! Fucks whores! Hates women! Deserves to die! America wants his head on a plate! CRUCIFY HIM!”

When it is a Democrat, the media reports it like this: “Why is prostitution illegal? It shouldn’t be illegal, it’s just sex. Poor lonely governor, he just wanted some love. Being away from your wife for long periods of time can take it’s toll on you. Let’s not pass judgement on him, he is, after all…human.”

That’s the way I see it at least.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
My point, if this were a Republican, the media would report it like this: “Filthy republican scum! Fucks whores! Hates women! Deserves to die! America wants his head on a plate! CRUCIFY HIM!”

When it is a Democrat, the media reports it like this: “Why is prostitution illegal? It shouldn’t be illegal, it’s just sex. Poor lonely governor, he just wanted some love. Being away from your wife for long periods of time can take it’s toll on you. Let’s not pass judgement on him, he is, after all…human.”

That’s the way I see it at least.[/quote]

I don’t know. That’s not the way I am seeing it. Look, I am what of you guys would call a Liberal. I don’t have any sympathy for Eliot Spitzer. The guy was an asshole and he deserves this debacle as much as anybody. I, by the way, think prostitution should be legal. That’s a seperate issue. Fact is this guy went after prostitution rings all the while frequenting one. Throw the book at him Danno!

Obviously, SOME Republicans are going to play this up, just the way SOME Democrats do if it is Republican. Intelligent people should not be playing such stupid games.

Any politician who engages in homosexual behavior, all the while denouncing or passing laws against homosexuals is a hypocrite. Any politician who prosecutes prostitution rings, all the while making use of one is a hypocrite. Even though it’s not against the law to be a hypocrite, I am not going to shed a tear if these guys get into legal trouble.

check this out:

Spitzer’s call girl once worked for ring he busted: report
1 hour ago

NEW YORK (AFP) �?? The call girl whose tryst with disgraced New York Governor Eliot Spitzer brought about his downfall once worked for an escort service he busted, its former owner said.

The former pimp said he met and employed Ashley Dupre, at her initiative, when she was just 19.

“We knew that we had found a rock star escort when we met Ashley,” Jason Itzler told CNN’s Larry King Live late Thursday.

“She was spectacular. In my opinion, she was the hottest, sexiest escort we ever had,” Itzler said. “We were getting easily 2,000 dollar an hour for her, with three, four, five-hour minimums.”

Authorities shut down Itzler’s big-bucks New York Confidential escort service in January 2005, and he spent two years in jail.

His was one of seven or eight escort services Spitzer busted when he was New York state attorney general, Itzler said.

“How funny it is. What goes around does come around,” he said. “I’m the king of all pimps. He was the king of hypocrites.”

Itlzer said he lost contact with Dupre after going to jail, but believes her recent notoriety could ultimately make her a “star.”

“She’s drop dead gorgeous, a great personality, unbelievable singing voice. And maybe this will launch her into becoming a star,” he said.

The woman federal wiretappers heard Spitzer arranging to meet at a Washington hotel in February was identified in court papers as “Kristen.”

But the New York Times later identified her as Dupre, 22, an aspiring singer from New Jersey. “I just don’t want to be thought of as a monster,” Dupre was quoted as telling the newspaper.

“This has been a very difficult time. It is complicated.”

Spitzer’s resignation Wednesday marked a stunning fall from grace for the former state attorney general once known as “Mr. Clean” for taking on organized crime and Wall Street corruption, and once seen as presidential material.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jD0Tz1rowwLrggIA-sYs7Uep0SMQ

Heidi Fleiss weighs in on Eliot Spitzer:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/121325/page/1

[quote]entheogens wrote:
Alessandra Dupre’s MySpace page with a recording of one of her songs.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=69041220

Hey, Spitzer is “toast” and I guess he deserves it, but you gotta admit, she’s FINE ,and it certainly beats the hell out of the Republican Senator Craig doing his Boy’s Room Tap Dance.

EDIT: If you listened to that, then you know she’s not going to be a Diva at La Scala Opera House. On the other hand, she’s every bit as good as the crappy pop singers like Fergie. Already there is speculation as to whether she can launch her career from this:

[/quote]

She’s going to make tons of money from all the people downloading that song - I think they make like 50 or 60 cents or something, and over a million people have downloaded that song so far…

I agree with skaz - if a scandal involves a Republican, a lot of the coverage tends to focus on the fact he is a Republican, how it will affect Republicans, etc. If a scandal involves a Democrat, this isn’t mentioned much, and it focuses on him personally.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I agree with skaz - if a scandal involves a Republican, a lot of the coverage tends to focus on the fact he is a Republican, how it will affect Republicans, etc. If a scandal involves a Democrat, this isn’t mentioned much, and it focuses on him personally.
[/quote]

I think this is probably because most dems never made a big deal about prostitution and such.

For example, “Contract With America”, which was a Republican initiative called out specifics areas of legislation that would be made to “restore bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.” Well, think most people got sick of the self-righteous congress telling us how we should lead out lives just to witness them falling on their collective asses.

I think we should focus on the hypocrisy but not lump all politicians into their party affiliation’s habit. But yes, I agree, this has been done with reps more that dems – though as stated the reps brought it on themselves with the Contract.

EDIT–sorry for the shitty grammar/spelling/typing…I’ve had a few Scotches to celebrate me birfday and don’t feel much like correcting them.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
I agree with skaz - if a scandal involves a Republican, a lot of the coverage tends to focus on the fact he is a Republican, how it will affect Republicans, etc. If a scandal involves a Democrat, this isn’t mentioned much, and it focuses on him personally.

I think this is probably because most dems never made a big deal about prostitution and such.

For example, “Contract With America”, which was a Republican initiative called out specifics areas of legislation that would be made to “restore bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.” Well, think most people got sick of the self-righteous congress telling us how we should lead out lives just to witness them falling on their collective asses.

I think we should focus on the hypocrisy but not lump all politicians into their party affiliation’s habit. But yes, I agree, this has been done with reps more that dems – though as stated the reps brought it on themselves with the Contract.

EDIT–sorry for the shitty grammar/spelling/typing…I’ve had a few Scotches to celebrate me birfday and don’t feel much like correcting them.[/quote]

Happy Birthday ya goofy bastard.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:.
I think this is probably because most dems never made a big deal about prostitution and such.
[/quote]

I think this could be the case.

[quote]
EDIT–sorry for the shitty grammar/spelling/typing…I’ve had a few Scotches to celebrate me birfday and don’t feel much like correcting them.[/quote]

Happy Birthday!

Zum Geburtstag viel Glueck /
Zum Geburtstag viel Glueck /
Zum Geburtstag lieber Liftie /
Zum Geburtstag viel Glueck!

Pretty funny video here - rednecks pondering the Spitzer scandal:

http://www.stephenbainbridge.com/punditry/comments/red_state_update_on_the_spitzer_scandal/

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