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Elite's Rule

“Surely in a democracy it’s time for us to quit being sentimental and say the question we settle in an election is not whether elites shall rule , but which elite shall rule”.
- George Will

This frank admission goes to the heart of what is wrong with today’s news. We need television news that doesn’t represent one section of the elite or another, but reports with ordinary people’s interests in mind.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
“Surely in a democracy it’s time for us to quit being sentimental and say the question we settle in an election is not whether elites shall rule , but which elite shall rule”.
- George Will

This frank admission goes to the heart of what is wrong with today’s news. We need television news that doesn’t represent one section of the elite or another, but reports with ordinary people’s interests in mind.[/quote]

thats up to does who makes the news, but yes would be fine if more newspapers and newschannels
reflected the interrests of the average guy instead of some political elite or some economical elite.

yes those usually include by large majority - Whats in the fridge, who’s on Call Of Duty right now, and genecide of all Muslims, Blacks and Jews for no reason. We’re all tyrants, just some individuals get to impose their will and most don’t.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
“Surely in a democracy it’s time for us to quit being sentimental and say the question we settle in an election is not whether elites shall rule , but which elite shall rule”.
- George Will

This frank admission goes to the heart of what is wrong with today’s news. We need television news that doesn’t represent one section of the elite or another, but reports with ordinary people’s interests in mind.[/quote]

They have ordinary peoples interests in mind.

They report on J-LO, and Micheal Jacksons funeral and Paris Hilton and so on.

The things that you think they should be interested in are of no interest to them and a company that reported them would go broke.

It is not the media, or the “elites” or the church, or the evil companies that are to blame, no, most people lack the intellectual capacity or the will to learn something new and no amount of top down tinkering will ever change that.

This thread could be interesting…

The market for ideas is exactly what orion describes.

All media is directed at the “average” guy. And “average” typically equates to imbecile.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
“Surely in a democracy it’s time for us to quit being sentimental and say the question we settle in an election is not whether elites shall rule , but which elite shall rule”.
- George Will

This frank admission goes to the heart of what is wrong with today’s news. We need television news that doesn’t represent one section of the elite or another, but reports with ordinary people’s interests in mind.[/quote]

They have ordinary peoples interests in mind.

They report on J-LO, and Micheal Jacksons funeral and Paris Hilton and so on.

The things that you think they should be interested in are of no interest to them and a company that reported them would go broke.

It is not the media, or the “elites” or the church, or the evil companies that are to blame, no, most people lack the intellectual capacity or the will to learn something new and no amount of top down tinkering will ever change that.

[/quote]
This is mis-directed. Do people waste time on the absurd and mundane? Yes, however if the real issues of the day were front and center and being discussed in an open and unbiased way the world would be a much different place. The purpose of the mass media, which after all is a large corporation, is to maximize profits at just about any expense. They bombard the masses with the unimportant so as to marginalize them and keep them out of the real discussion. The mass media is biased to those who own it. It is their interests that it serves not the people of the United States.

I just thought it interesting that George Will admitted this on national TV.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
“Surely in a democracy it’s time for us to quit being sentimental and say the question we settle in an election is not whether elites shall rule , but which elite shall rule”.
- George Will

This frank admission goes to the heart of what is wrong with today’s news. We need television news that doesn’t represent one section of the elite or another, but reports with ordinary people’s interests in mind.[/quote]

They have ordinary peoples interests in mind.

They report on J-LO, and Micheal Jacksons funeral and Paris Hilton and so on.

The things that you think they should be interested in are of no interest to them and a company that reported them would go broke.

It is not the media, or the “elites” or the church, or the evil companies that are to blame, no, most people lack the intellectual capacity or the will to learn something new and no amount of top down tinkering will ever change that.

[/quote]
This is mis-directed. Do people waste time on the absurd and mundane? Yes, however if the real issues of the day were front and center and being discussed in an open and unbiased way the world would be a much different place. The purpose of the mass media, which after all is a large corporation, is to maximize profits at just about any expense.

They bombard the masses with the unimportant so as to marginalize them and keep them out of the real discussion. The mass media is biased to those who own it. It is their interests that it serves not the people of the United States.

I just thought it interesting that George Will admitted this on national TV.[/quote]

Ah, it is a conspiracy…

It could not possibly be that most people are shallow and ignorant and wish to remain so?

So what is the elite?

If your definition is just about a minority that effectivly enjoys some kind of rulership, then it’s only logical that these guys will have less time to read (newspapers) or watch (TV) as they are busy, well, ruling around.

And how should not some kind of minority be in charge?
Even if it would be a superflat hierarchy with a superjust direct voting system (shudder), who would be the one to pose the propositions?

So, this definition of “elite” is pointless.

And who really wants a superflat, root-like democracy? I mean, who among the sane?

For the record: the media caters both to special interest and the vulgar masses. While the latter receives the bulk of the showtime, the important headlines etc. are created as per decree of an “elite”.

Just think of the elite as being the naturally talented individuals whom bring a superlative quality to the market that consumers demand.

edited for precision.

In the immortal words of George Carlin

“Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!”

lifticus, if you mean a natural talent for charisma, lies and selfdeception, an abundance of connections or (much better) dynastic ties, an overflated ego and an intellect that won’t qualify as very high, then yes, I agree on the elite’s “talent” with you.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

lifticus, if you mean a natural talent for charisma, lies and selfdeception, an abundance of connections or (much better) dynastic ties, an overflated ego and an intellect that won’t qualify as very high, then yes, I agree on the elite’s “talent” with you.[/quote]

Beauty is as beauty does…

:-)…

We live in a republic, not a democracy.

[quote]pat wrote:
We live in a republic, not a democracy.[/quote]

No, you live in a democracy.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
This is mis-directed. Do people waste time on the absurd and mundane? Yes, however if the real issues of the day were front and center and being discussed in an open and unbiased way the world would be a much different place. The purpose of the mass media, which after all is a large corporation, is to maximize profits at just about any expense. They bombard the masses with the unimportant so as to marginalize them and keep them out of the real discussion. The mass media is biased to those who own it. It is their interests that it serves not the people of the United States.

I just thought it interesting that George Will admitted this on national TV.[/quote]

I agree more with Orion’s comment than your opinion. Most do not care for politics and world-events. They will change the channel if the news comes on, unless that news is weather, for some reason.

I also want to point out that Mass Media is in fact SEVERAL large corporations, often with competing editorial positions, whose primary motivation is not money.

I don’t know what the news corportations are battling for, but if it was profitability, CNN would look a lot more like Fox.

The larger and more complex the institution, the need for the Elite rises.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

lifticus, if you mean a natural talent for charisma, lies and selfdeception, an abundance of connections or (much better) dynastic ties, an overflated ego and an intellect that won’t qualify as very high, then yes, I agree on the elite’s “talent” with you.[/quote]

No, you just mistake those people as being elite. As soon as their frauds are uncovered they would no longer be held in esteem by consumers.

The market rules.

[quote]Otep wrote:

I also want to point out that Mass Media is in fact SEVERAL large corporations, often with competing editorial positions, whose primary motivation is not money.[/quote]

Well, then the mass media corporations are the first corporations in history whose primary motivation isn’t money.

Of course it is about money (and advertisers).

CNN caters to a particular audience, just as Faux does.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Just think of the elite as being the naturally talented individuals whom bring a superlative quality to the market that consumers demand.

edited for precision.[/quote]

do you belong to this elite?

Much like the rat pressing down on the lever when the LED light goes on…so do the American masses when they vote.

Welcome to America. Democracy exists because of the elite. The masses are too stupid to run their own country. Get over it