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Elbow Pain When Doing Overhead Tri Extentions


#1

Can’t do overhead tricep extentions…kills my elbow. It is weird as the pain seems to be coming from the point of the elbow but there is no swelling like the sac has burst. Any suggestions or alternate exercise or a sleeve of some sort or an excercise that will help. I hate to put these on the shelf cause it blows my tri’s up but cannot handle the pain anymore. Thanks


#2
  1. How heavy were you going (ie, what rep range)?
  2. What triceps-related exercises (if any) were you doing prior to doing these?
  3. What is your bodypart split?

#3

1). 3 sets 10/9/8. 140/150/160
2). Rope pull downs/close grip bench/finish with extentions
3). I do a 5 day split. Chest/calves. Back/abs. Shoulders/hams. Legs/abs. Bi/tri

I alternate the bi/tri sets, so one set bi one set tri ect.
Just a bit of history…I am 45, been lifting since high school because of football. Never had any problems until the last six months. Done soft tissue massage and flex exercises. The exercises helped but never truly alleviated the problem. Ice doesn’t help. Wet heat does to a point.
Thanksi


#4

OK, let’s take a step back and consider what you’re doing/have done vis a vis triceps work:
–You’re working your triceps at least three times a week–on Chest day, Shoulder day and Arm day. You may also be working them on Back day (ie, if you’re doing any sort of pullover or straight-arm pushdown movement).
–You’re working them with heavy weights.
–You’ve been working them for ~30 years or so.
–Finally, your triceps tendons are 45 years old.

Not trying to sound like a smart-ass, but…You tell me–why are your triceps tendons rebelling, and what should you do about it?


#5

I see what you’re saying, I am old and lift too heavy. I appreciate that. I am a hard gainer and worked too hard to lose what I have, so I am looking for suggestions.
Believe me, I have run the table of tri excerises. I want to replace the overhead because of the pain, but the gains and strength from them is very good. I guess I just need to find something that doesn’t hurt. The overhead is the set in the mix that hurts


#6

All is not lost, old timer. (I’m going on 55, BTW.) Proper exercise sequencing–ie, training smarter–can go a long way toward allowing you to work your muscles hard. The following is adopted from comments I made on the thread Eyedentist, how do you train?:

My thought process regarding workout programming changed dramatically after I did a 12-week program with John Meadows. He made me realize that a joint/tendon-friendly workout scheme is actually the opposite of the ‘heavy compound movement first, isolation finisher last’ approach I had followed for so long. Here is the blueprint I follow for each muscle group now:

  1. The purpose of the first exercise is to begin getting blood into the muscle without putting undo stress on the tendons and joints. To do this, an isolation exercise is employed, light loads are used, and the ROM is limited to the final third (ie, approaching the fully contracted position) portion of the movement. The stretched position is avoided at all costs.
  2. The next exercise(s) is/are the ‘main course.’ It is the only portion of the workout that feels heavy (reps will be in the 8-12 range). It is also the exercise on which I will use intensification techniques (drop sets, rest/pause, etc). The ROM will be the middle third of the movement; the stretch position is (still) avoided to minimize the risk of injury, and the lockout position is avoided to keep continuous tension on the muscle.
  3. The purpose of the last exercise is twofold. First, it serves to drive as much blood as possible into the muscle; second, the now-fully-warmed-up muscle can (and should) be safely stretched by working throughout its full ROM.

This is how such programming can be applied to Triceps work:

  1. Activation/warm-up movement: Occluded rope pushouts
    –ROM: The contracted fifth. I use a very light weight, and pull the rope handles down and OUT (this is key!) as hard as I can. My thought is to pull the rope hard enough to literally render it straight (ie, parallel to the floor). I hold this extreme-contracted position for a 4-count, then ‘break’ the peak contraction, slowly lower the weight stack a few inches, then it’s right back to the max contracted position for another 4-count. I can’t emphasize enough just how short the ROM is–my hands NEVER get close to one another, and other than the first and last reps, the movement has no vertical (ie, up and down) component. (This is why I call them rope pushOUTS, not pushDOWNS.) Done correctly, these are brutal, and the pump is insane. (Credit Meadows for this one.)
    –3 sets, 15-30 sec rest, ramping the weight
    –Reps: 15-25; within 2-3 reps of failure

  2. Hypertrophy movement: Conventional cable pushdowns
    –ROM = middle 3/5s.
    –3-4 sets, 2-3 min rest, reverse-pyramid style
    –Reps: 8-12, reverse-pyramid style. Every set is within 1 rep of failure, and last set employs intensification technique(s)

  3. Stretching movement: DB supine stretchers
    –ROM : The stretched half. Basically, these are skullcrushers done with DBs (one in each hand, hands in the ‘neutral’ position), but with my head hanging off the end of the bench. I reach ‘out and back’ with the DBs (my upper arms are almost parallel to the floor) to put the triceps on-stretch. When I bend at the elbow, the DBs come back almost under my head.
    –2-3 sets, 30-60 sec rest; weight changes by feel (ie, can go up or down depending on how the stretch feels)
    –Reps: 15-25; within 1-2 reps of failure


#7

Been following your suggestions for the last week. It has help a lot. Thanks!!