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Effective Tren & Nand Dosage Query



I have a few questions that I’m hoping you can guide me with, but first a brief background…

Last 10wks
0.5ml TNT every Tue & Fri (Total 450mg pw split as 150mg TestE, 150mg Nand, 150mg TrenE)
20mg Nolv EOD
0.5mg Arim EOD
250iu HCG Mon & Thur

I am aware its quite a low dosage compared to some of the schedules followed on here but it suits what I am after.
So far the results have been fantastic, steady gain of muscle, but yet dropping BF and maintaining a dry non bloated look.
The HCG has kept atrophy to a minimum.
The only problem I have encountered has been elevated BP readings which I am attributing to the Tren and which is currently being managed with beetroot juice.

Next 20wks
0.25ml TNT every Tue & Fri (Total 225mg pw split as 75mg TestE, 75mg Nand, 75mg TrenE)
0.25ml Testoject every Tue & Fri (Total 200mg pw split as 75mg TestE, 75mg TestC, 50mg TestP)
20mg Nolv EOD
0.5mg Arim EOD
250iu HCG Mon & Thur

All in this totals 425mg pw, broken down as
275mg Test (150mg TestE,75mg TestC, 50mg TestP)
75mg Nand
75mg TrenE

My questions are as follows

1/ Is this simply too many different products? Would I be better on an equivalent dosage 400mg pure Test and of only 1 ester?
2/ Is Nand at this dosage still effective for the joint relief that I am benefitting from at present?
3/ Is Tren at this dosage still effective or just not worth the potential sides for such a low dose?
4/ Are the Tren sides proportionate to dose used? i.e. now dose is half of that previously used will my BP readings lower accordingly?

Thanks in advance for any constructive replies they will be much appreciated, much like all the quality information I find on these forums.


In case ppl are wondering re the Nand minimum dosage for joint relief question I posed, I have found the following after much searching…

"• Nandrolone-Decanoate Doses:

  • 100mg per week will be enough to promote joint relief and comfort.
  • 200mg per week will be the minimum dosing for performance based effects, i.e. growth.
  • 400mg per week will be the maximum dose most will ever need for performance.
  • 500-600mg per week can be used safely, but this does increase side-effect probability and should only be attempted by the elite and well-experienced."

For info if maybe anyone was wondering along similar lines to myself, now to find the same for TrenE…


i think as long as the test dosage is higher than the trenbolone you should be good for a safe cycle. Tren should max out at 400mg to be safe. tren and nadrolone is hardcore man, goodluck.