Damn man, that sucks. You felt no difference on the HCG? It is raising my test very high but i feel no difference at all. Are you considering trt at this point? Also have you done a fertility test? The clear semen can’t be a good sign for sure
maybe the ovirtelle isn’t the same as the usual hcg. I was shooting 6500ius a week and the third week the blood work showed total t 700…weird cause with serms at normal dosages my t goes higher.
Anyway I’m not thinking of trt yet… First of all it might not even help… I mean I can’t run cycle doses of testosterone for life just so I can get normal wood. And my t is already high.
I’ll try this last restart attempt with Nolva and proviron. And if that doesn’t fix me I ll up the dose of cialis and wait for half a year… It doesn’t make me normal. But at least I can get a semi and please the gf. About the fertility thing I did a sperm test and I was ok.
If after all this I am still not recovered I ll start thinking of trt…
different account? But do you have any other symptoms? lack of energy brainfog anxiety etc, or is it just the libido that has been affected? Hope you recover man
Yep when I forget the password I create a new lol. Before i took the hcg no. Nothing. And pumps in the gym were normal… I know that now cause since I stopped the hcg like 10 days ago I have all those side effects and I can see the difference.
The doc suggested I should check the prostate but I don’t know if prostate problems can cause Ed and libido issues… He said that the daily cialis could get me going again.
The only advice I can give to anyone in a similar situation is daily cialis. It won’t fix you but It can keep you from doing desperate things like taking too many pct drugs etc.
If anything changes I’ll update
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Damn man. Do you have any libido at all? I’m going to start cialis eod, uroligist recommended it to me aswell but I just don’t see how that is going to help. Thanks for the quick replies
Before the hcg… Yeah not as high as before cycling but normal. But could only reach 70-80% even with viagra. Now I think I am a little shutdown from the hcg and it hit rock bottom… Cialis is good for many reasons… It will give nocturnal erections if you don’t have them which is nature’s way of keeping penile tissue healthy… It will keep your mind off of it and maybe with time you will recover. What is your situation… Failed pct? Any blood work?
That’s good still, you have some libido. Thing is I have no libido at all, and I don’t feel any sensation from sex or wanking. My labs before the HCG:
Total testosterone: 360 ng/dl
SHBG: 34
FSH: 3
LH: 2
HCG seems to be «working» my last test showed total test at 1066 ng/dl, but somehow my balls are still atrophied and I don’t feel any different at all. Still no libido, low energy etc. Balls are aching here and there. It’s been a shitty ride for 10-11 months. I’m a little over two weeks in on the hcg, planning on doing two more weeks then continue with serm for 4-6 weeks. But does cialis help with nocturnal erections even with no arousal? I also don’t feel like socializing at all. Very very low enery and mood
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yeah cialis does help even when not aroused. At least it does for me. If its only been 2 weeks on the hcg give it time. your balls ache from the hcg. mine did too. bloods don’t mean much to me cause i have bloodwork from before cycling with total t 500 and everything else pretty much the same as now but libido was high and erections rock hard. maybe its high e2 from hcg but dont go popping ai’s if its not out of range high.
I suggest to keep on taking the hcg until you see some difference in size, not numbers. Clomid will help with size too. After stopping the serms wait 4-5 weeks and get bloods. And dont do the same mistake as i did and start popping pct drugs and change doses out of desperation. I have crushed e2, let them go high, lower prolactin with caber, lower shbg with proviron. Also the mood and energy will be restored first, dick and libido last.
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Will do man. Regarding proviron though, isn’t it supressive to the hpta? Also I don’t really care for numbers as long as I feel good. Just thought it was weird for test levels to read over 1000 with testicles still atrophied. I realise I gotta be patient with this shit and that things take time. Thanks for the input, appreciate it.
Yeah proviron is suppresive but not like hcg or test… I mean I took it for 3 months at 50mg ed without any effect on lh or total t with bloodwork before and after…
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Sounds like you read our posts on this topic. Maybe you did maybe you didn’t. I get the impression you judged this desensitization preliminary without blood work showing that you desensitized you’re balls.
A big point of our discussion was that the reaction to prolonged and high dose hCG usage is HIGHLY INDIVIDUAL. Without blood work you just took a wild guess which could be good or more likely bad.
Man I can see how hard your situation is but you shouldn’t overthink your protocol every two weeks. The body needs homeostasis to perform optimally and you don’t let it get back to that if you snap your hormones out of whack every two weeks. Just stay on the path, trust the process.
I’m getting the impression that the hormones are not your real problem as they often aren’t in ED. Neurotransmitters control arousal, erections and ejaculation which is probably your problem. Neurotransmitter systems in the brain are way more complex than endocrinology (they interlink) and I can tell you that the brain needs way longer than your testicles to work normal after a disruption. Ask any former depression patient, it takes 3-6 months to get back for most people with mild-moderate depression.
I once read the hardware (muscles, bones and so on) recover in days to weeks. Hormones and the immune system take a few weeks to months. The brain months. So there’s absolutely no reason why you should change protocol that often.
Do the hCG for 2 more weeks, then get the hypothalamus back on track with a serm, then slowly decrease serm dose and then WAIT. Guys from the TRT section often comment on such things and they all say the same thing: let the body figure the new situation out and stay with a protocol for at least 3 months. So finish the next 6-10 weeks as planned and then stay off the hormonal drugs!
Time for you would be better spent reading about plant supplements which regulate neurotransmitters in my opinion.
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I was reading a thread regarding that yesterday(neurottansmitters) It’s just been a hard 10-11 months and difficult for me to not worry. I will keep staying on track, hopefully the testis restore their size and function soon. Thanks alot for the reply. Should I supplement with GABA etc? or DHEA?
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DHEA is a hormone so no. You shouldn’t supplement with anything. You should read! Read studies on the neurotransmitters regulating sexual function. Read studies on dopamine and serotonin and noradrenaline and all the others.
Stay the course we laid out in the meantime and then come here to discuss what you learned and share your experience.
Right now you are in the process of trying one thing which definitely could work so stay the course. Don’t change anything until you really tried this protocol! Otherwise you won’t know what works and what doesn’t because you never really tried anything.
Besides the hCG and the SERM you won’t do anything (cialis as needed) and then you wait 2 months after finishing your restart and you see how you feel.
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Thanks for the reply
I will definetly read about it. I’m going to stay away from the forum for awhile so I don’t keep going in loops.
Sup bro, I seen that you said you don’t socialize. I had similar issues with the low libido and Weak erections. Libido is coming back slowly while on PCT, 50MG of clomid everyday. I am on day 7, will go down to 25mg after day 14. Listen bro, I am now able to get it up and please the women. Same issues with sex, I don’t feel as good and sometimes do not cum. Sometimes I do. BUT, what helped me the most is SOCIALIZING. I’m dating a provider, who told me that socializing will help. I started again, cause like you I did not want to socialize feeling like less of a man or not myself. Socializing release endorphins, which help. I’m not 100%, but I am on the right path. Like lordgains said, don’t overthink you will create more problems. Let nature run its course, you’ll be happy you did!
I want to but I have too much anxiety. It’s coming close to a year soon since this has been going on. Haven’t been outside for 5 months. Will definetly complete this protocol and try to stay relaxed. When did you start running into problems yourself?
I start worrying about you a bit more than what’s going on with your hormones.
I know that sexual dysfunction can have severe negative impact on ones psychological well-being but it is also the other way round.
If you’re struggling with anxiety, social isolation, anhedonia and other symptoms you should see a doctor because your sexual dysfunction can solely stem from Depression in that case.
Depression doesn’t have to be permanent and can have a lot of different causes (AAS use as an example) but it needs to be treated.
I completely agree with @jrt1103 here. You should first start socializing, going out, moving more, have a regular schedule. Then your mind will get better and your body too.
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Test prolactin and E2 again
I dont know man, I doubt it stems from depression, if anything this situation is making me depressed. I have been diagnosed with depression because of this situation though. I feel like I haven’t explained properly what happened to me. When I started the cycle in June everything was fine up until Novemeber. I then started to mentally feel zoned out and disconnected from everything. Come february was probably the worst time of my life. I started experiencing severe pain in my penis and scrotum and the pain would radiate to my lower belly. The pain lasted for 3-4 months, and I lost all feelings of touch and sensation, the skin was painful to touch. I really haven’t heard about anyone going through something similiar. I also had kidney issues and heart palpations at the end of my cycle. Supposedly I was running primo (400mg/week), but how can primo mess me us so badly? My genitals still kind of feel tender to the touch.
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