Cool. I agree. So are there any programs like this on T-Nation to refer beginners to so that it's easier for them? I always refer beginners to Vroom's thread or suggest ABBH, but truthfully, for the untrained I agree with CT and Eric. I had my sister, who hadn't really lifted since college, doing full-body, HIT workouts for the first two weeks. I wanted to teach her what failure was so she could learn what it felt like and how to push herself and learn to stop near it in the future. After the first 2 weeks, I moved her to training to near-failure and added a 2nd circuit-all exercises with slow (4-second) ecentrics. Soon, she'll be moving to heavy loads and more sets and moving to an ABBH-like split. I think this is a better approach for those who have never lifted or haven't for a long time than suggesting one of the T-Nation programs I've seen from the getgo. Of course, I and others could always just explain what to do, but it's easier for beginners if they have a structured program laid out that they can follow. Any beginner T-Nation programs like this?