ok well i seemed to have gained 8 pounds or so, after 4 weeks of Thermolife’s Ecdysten and a fifth off. The thing is on the 5th week, i was on vacation. Even with the Grow packs that i brought along, i know that i ate a bit excessively just to make sure i got enuf protein. I dont remember the scale weight before vacation, but i came home a good 9 pounds heavier than 5 weeks ago. I unfortunately seemed to have gained a bit of fat (its rather noticeable- i have gone from 1 ab to none), i am trying to figure out a correct time to measure myself on the 'ol tanita, but i am guessing 3lbs or so. I just bought some zoe labs liquid zeb.