Brock…good post, big guy…good to have ya back. I realize that the isokinesterone isn’t the real deal, but what about the stuff from Leuza or Rhaponticum carthamoids (ie. Ecdysten from Thermolife and Ecdybol from Pinnacle)? Yeah, it’s still bug juice, but that’s what was used in all the studies. I’m not exactly certain where the isokinesterone came from though (20-HECD).