(dman) you could’nt have said it any better,that is what I beleive too.When I first ordered Retibol from Atletika I was kind of leary of it so I e-mailed Rick Brunner(the owner of Atletika) and asked him a few questions and to my surprise he called me and talked for over 20 minutes and explained the difference in ecdysterone extracts,he was one of the first to get the real stuff from an outfit in Russia and he also told me that they are lowering the price of it and they would be a lot of other companies getting in to it,this was a year ago,now you see (Pinnacle,Thermolife,Eas,Advanced Labs) all are selling the quality version.