I don’t have the metabolism to eat a lot of junk type food, and when I do eat out it’s normally still just meat + rice/potatoes + salad in some form.
But man… when you hit a plateau in the gym pizza, burgers and buffets are the ultimate plateau breakers. Just sayin’
Here is a story about a strong guy who ate 10,000+ calories worth of shitty food daily:
The moral of the story is balance.
Eat big but also eat high quality food that will make you stronger and healthier.
Louie Simmons said that the people he knows who eat the cleanest are also some of the weakest. Ive bulked up similar to how the OP said he does, makes life easier, less stress and Im progressing very well. However I dont really see what is so dirty about a hamburger, seriously its meat and bread. Even though its white bread, because of the fat and protein in the beef the white bread will not spike insulin so whats the problem?
What i do is just count calories after i eat a meal and make sure by the end of the day the amount i require to grow is IN MA BELLY and that has worked just fine
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
Louie Simmons said that the people he knows who eat the cleanest are also some of the weakest. Ive bulked up similar to how the OP said he does, makes life easier, less stress and Im progressing very well. However I dont really see what is so dirty about a hamburger, seriously its meat and bread. Even though its white bread, because of the fat and protein in the beef the white bread will not spike insulin so whats the problem?
What i do is just count calories after i eat a meal and make sure by the end of the day the amount i require to grow is IN MA BELLY and that has worked just fine[/quote]
Agree completely. I bet if we looked at the pictures of the people with different opinions it would pan out the same.
Look, all I am saying is that if you really plan to reach a size that makes people get out of your way, that is probably going to take quite a lot of “not-perfectly-dry-and-sanitized” food.
Because the truth is, the guys who really push hard in the gym for 10-15 years straight and make so much progress no one can recognize them aren’t afraid of a damned hamburger.
Fat loss is a diet away (like honestly, at the most maybe half a year if you really got fat).
Truly HUGE freaking arms, big quads over 29" and a chest over 53" is about 5-10-15 years away.
The guys who pull that off are so few in number now it isn’t funny…and I am betting none of them are in this thread trying to get people to stop eating hamburgers.
[quote]mallen5 wrote:
In the long run, the cleaner you can eat the better. You can add calories quickly with things like avocados, olive oil, and nuts.
It’s not just about what you can get down your throat. You have to digest it as well, and that is ultimately what matters. If you can dial in your digestion, you will get more out of what you are eating. The key is to feed your body quality foods.
Most of guys who talk about getting “big” eating fast food and other crap are usually carrying a ton of bodyfat, and probably look less than desirable.
I’m not saying you can’t eat a burger and fries on occasion, but letting your bodyfat get up to 15% is just laziness.
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You think Lee Preist is Lazy? You think most of the bodybuilders in the off season bodybuilder thread are lazy because they are higher bf% in the offseason? Maybe if your a fitness model I can understand the need to not go to 20% bodyfat or something. Most people cant get big staying at a low bf% this is fact and this is why MOST people that are huge carry more then 10% bodyfat in the offseason, and this does include top level pros. No where am I saying that everyone has to go to a higher bf in order to put on mass because I know a lot of coaches advise against it but they are actually the minority on this and I could almost put money on some of those same coaches at one point in their life bulking up quite a lot and wouldnt be as big as they are now without doing that.
Being 15% or a little more isnt lazyness it just shows that muscle gain is more important then keeping a certain bodyfat %.
[quote]dunboody wrote:
Is this a good idea?
For example say I eat 3,000-3,500 calories a day in order to bulk. I also manage to take in 200+ grams of protein daily.[/quote]
What’s your current height and weight?
What general condition are you in: fat, slim, ripped, ribs showing through your shirt?
What does your current training look like?
These answers will definitely have some influence on how lenient you can be with your diet. But generally speaking, as long as you’re getting the nutrients you need (protein, carbs, and fat), don’t sweat a less-than-pristine plan.
You’re 18 years old. If you’re lifting hard several days a week and aren’t currently a pudgy bastard, it’s silly to stress out over a burger or a slice.
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
[quote]mallen5 wrote:
In the long run, the cleaner you can eat the better. You can add calories quickly with things like avocados, olive oil, and nuts.
It’s not just about what you can get down your throat. You have to digest it as well, and that is ultimately what matters. If you can dial in your digestion, you will get more out of what you are eating. The key is to feed your body quality foods.
Most of guys who talk about getting “big” eating fast food and other crap are usually carrying a ton of bodyfat, and probably look less than desirable.
I’m not saying you can’t eat a burger and fries on occasion, but letting your bodyfat get up to 15% is just laziness.
[/quote]
You think Lee Preist is Lazy? You think most of the bodybuilders in the off season bodybuilder thread are lazy because they are higher bf% in the offseason? Maybe if your a fitness model I can understand the need to not go to 20% bodyfat or something. Most people cant get big staying at a low bf% this is fact and this is why MOST people that are huge carry more then 10% bodyfat in the offseason, and this does include top level pros. No where am I saying that everyone has to go to a higher bf in order to put on mass because I know a lot of coaches advise against it but they are actually the minority on this and I could almost put money on some of those same coaches at one point in their life bulking up quite a lot and wouldnt be as big as they are now without doing that.
Being 15% or a little more isnt lazyness it just shows that muscle gain is more important then keeping a certain bodyfat %. [/quote]
We need to stop this shit before it turns into another, “what is the best bulking body fat % thread?”
The only real argument is health.
As long as you are healthy and exercise regularly the rest, including fat %, is aesthetics.
[quote]JLone wrote:
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
[quote]mallen5 wrote:
In the long run, the cleaner you can eat the better. You can add calories quickly with things like avocados, olive oil, and nuts.
It’s not just about what you can get down your throat. You have to digest it as well, and that is ultimately what matters. If you can dial in your digestion, you will get more out of what you are eating. The key is to feed your body quality foods.
Most of guys who talk about getting “big” eating fast food and other crap are usually carrying a ton of bodyfat, and probably look less than desirable.
I’m not saying you can’t eat a burger and fries on occasion, but letting your bodyfat get up to 15% is just laziness.
[/quote]
You think Lee Preist is Lazy? You think most of the bodybuilders in the off season bodybuilder thread are lazy because they are higher bf% in the offseason? Maybe if your a fitness model I can understand the need to not go to 20% bodyfat or something. Most people cant get big staying at a low bf% this is fact and this is why MOST people that are huge carry more then 10% bodyfat in the offseason, and this does include top level pros. No where am I saying that everyone has to go to a higher bf in order to put on mass because I know a lot of coaches advise against it but they are actually the minority on this and I could almost put money on some of those same coaches at one point in their life bulking up quite a lot and wouldnt be as big as they are now without doing that.
Being 15% or a little more isnt lazyness it just shows that muscle gain is more important then keeping a certain bodyfat %. [/quote]
We need to stop this shit before it turns into another, “what is the best bulking body fat % thread?”
The only real argument is health.
As long as you are healthy and exercise regularly the rest, including fat %, is aesthetics.
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Actually, the other argument seems to be that if you dare eat a hamburger, you are lazy and super fat…as if fat can’t be lost.
I bet it would be cool if the progress made actually backed up the stances being taken.
[quote]dunboody wrote:
It’s not a matter of what I can and can’t do. I can eat 3,000+ calories worth of clean food in a day. I just prefer eating unhealthy because it tastes better. I mean, at the end of the day, I’ll have consumed the same amount of calories and protein. I’ll just cut out the vegetables and whole grains and replace them with high calorie/high protein junk food.[/quote]
I think anyone who responded seriously to this just got trolled hard.
[quote]supa power wrote:
[quote]dunboody wrote:
It’s not a matter of what I can and can’t do. I can eat 3,000+ calories worth of clean food in a day. I just prefer eating unhealthy because it tastes better. I mean, at the end of the day, I’ll have consumed the same amount of calories and protein. I’ll just cut out the vegetables and whole grains and replace them with high calorie/high protein junk food.[/quote]
I think anyone who responded seriously to this just got trolled hard.[/quote]
Why?
I can tell you flat out that I am glad I didn’t waste all of my time for years worrying this much about chicken breasts. I had fun. I ate a lot of food. I ate a lot of food I probably should have eaten less off. In the end, all that really matters is who made the most progress.
Obviously someone really focused on making huge gains in muscle size is NOT simply “eating junk”. A hamburger isn’t JUNK.
I really think the terms some of you use cause you to not see the bigger picture.
Your goal should be to only stay as lean as it takes to gain muscle optimally IF your goal is massive gains in lean body mass.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Actually, the other argument seems to be that if you dare eat a hamburger, you are lazy and super fat…as if fat can’t be lost.
I bet it would be cool if the progress made actually backed up the stances being taken.[/quote]
We just had two of these threads last week.
Who cares what some 160 pound ab sporting tool thinks a “high body fat percentage” is.
(Obviously this is not directed at you, X)
It is painful to log in to T-Nation each week and see the same argument. The reality is they need to split the nutrition section into two sections. Nutrition for Bodybuilders and nutrition for general fitness. I think a reasonable cut off would be a body weight of 200 pounds. If you weigh more than 200 or aspire to weigh more then 200 pounds you go to the BB Nutrition thread. all else stay in the general fitness nutrition thread.
How does that sound?
^Sounds good to me.
I get tired of scrawny dudes calling anyone with a BF% around 15 “fat”.
[quote]JLone wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Actually, the other argument seems to be that if you dare eat a hamburger, you are lazy and super fat…as if fat can’t be lost.
I bet it would be cool if the progress made actually backed up the stances being taken.[/quote]
We just had two of these threads last week.
Who cares what some 160 pound ab sporting tool thinks a “high body fat percentage” is.
(Obviously this is not directed at you, X)
It is painful to log in to T-Nation each week and see the same argument. The reality is they need to split the nutrition section into two sections. Nutrition for Bodybuilders and nutrition for general fitness. I think a reasonable cut off would be a body weight of 200 pounds. If you weigh more than 200 or aspire to weigh more then 200 pounds you go to the BB Nutrition thread. all else stay in the general fitness nutrition thread.
How does that sound?[/quote]
This isnt a general fitness site and never has been. I dont know why people who are serious have to even tolerate the people that belong in a mens health forum
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]supa power wrote:
[quote]dunboody wrote:
It’s not a matter of what I can and can’t do. I can eat 3,000+ calories worth of clean food in a day. I just prefer eating unhealthy because it tastes better. I mean, at the end of the day, I’ll have consumed the same amount of calories and protein. I’ll just cut out the vegetables and whole grains and replace them with high calorie/high protein junk food.[/quote]
I think anyone who responded seriously to this just got trolled hard.[/quote]
Why?
I can tell you flat out that I am glad I didn’t waste all of my time for years worrying this much about chicken breasts. I had fun. I ate a lot of food. I ate a lot of food I probably should have eaten less off. In the end, all that really matters is who made the most progress.
Obviously someone really focused on making huge gains in muscle size is NOT simply “eating junk”. A hamburger isn’t JUNK.
I really think the terms some of you use cause you to not see the bigger picture.
Your goal should be to only stay as lean as it takes to gain muscle optimally IF your goal is massive gains in lean body mass.[/quote]
Why do I think it’s a troll post? Low number of posts and specificly “I’ll just cut out the vegetables and whole grains and replace them with high calorie/high protein junk food”
If he is being serious then I think it is a bad idea to COMPLETELY replace veg with junk food. It’s not just body composition alone but general overall feelings of well being and inflamation of joints. To quote ED Coan “If you up your protein and start eating cleaner carbs, all of a sudden your joints start feeling good, your weights start going up and you feel bigger and tighter”.
Yes a hamburger can not be generalised as being junk and there is nothing wrong with eating the odd bit of real junk. A homemade burger at a good resteraunt is pretty good food, but a McDonalds burger is awful, depression inducing shite.
everybody who says bad things about burgers, need to eat some hamburger.
[quote]supa power wrote:
A homemade burger at a good resteraunt is pretty good food, but a McDonalds burger is awful, depression inducing shite.[/quote]
Explain the difference-- Compare the McDonalds “Angus Burger” to a hamburger “at a good resteraunt(sic)”
Picture is relevant.
I am a big fan of so-called “junk food.” Calories, check - delicious, check - convenient, check. It’s not like your tricep is thinking “Ehh . . this isn’t organic whole grain bread, and I can totes tell the meat is processed. No growth for you!”
Also, I’m not sure where this idea that “healthy” gains are somehow better than “unhealthy” gains originated from, but I want it to die. Nobly suffering through boring food won’t make you grow any faster.
Because I’m a nice guy, here’s some burger porn for Steely/Chris/X/Kaiser, and the other men who aren’t afraid of anything delicious.
My “issue” about eating at places like McDonald’s is about the oil used, but as I said earlier, a burger is much better than sodas, candy or all that kind of stuff.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
^Sounds good to me.
I get tired of scrawny dudes calling anyone with a BF% around 15 “fat”.[/quote]
Same principle as guys who think they are “big” calling others scrawny because they aren’t carrying around an extra 50lbs. of lard…
Mr. X - I have never understood why you think you are an expert on the subject of bodybuilding. I respect the fact that you often are very capable of helping beginners, and spend time doing so, but your sense of superiority appears to be unfounded.
You are a big strong guy who would probably be a force if there was ever a contest that involved hammer strength equipment. Other than that, I don’t know of you being anywhere near elite in anything, or training anyone who is (or training anyone for that matter).
The bottom line is that if you know what you are talking about, you aren’t going to get offended by people stating a viewpoint different from your own. Yes, you have thousands of posts talking about how you don’t squat or deadlift, eat t-bones, and are the king of all things hammer strength. That is all great, but its not for everyone.
I’m not saying people shouldn’t implement a bulk strategy that isn’t squeaky clean, but I don’t think they should stay on a perpetual one that lasts for years either. We’re talking years in many cases…and I like to think of bodybuilding as a healthy endeavor.
Sorry for the rant…