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Eating Before and While Training?

Do you guys eat before you train and while you train or just one of the two?

I have a Protein & Fat meal 2 hours prior to hitting the gym to avoid a drop in blood sugar.

Then, I down a serving of Surge at the start of my training and another serving immediately after.

Yeah, I usually munch away on a Big Mac while I’m training.

[quote]Zulu wrote:
Do you guys eat before you train and while you train or just one of the two? [/quote]

Yes. Seeing as I am on a bulking cycle, all I do is eat. So, eating 6-7 meals a day, I do eat before I lift. It terms of what it is going to vary from person to person and would suggest reading some of JB’s stuff on the timing of meals, ESPECIALLY post-workout.

During my workout, I sip on one serving of Surge and IMMEDIATLEY after, another serving. Then, 1-2 hours after my last serving of Surge, a P+C meal, then another one, then a GROW! shake before bed.

[quote]Zulu wrote:
Do you guys eat before you train and while you train or just one of the two? [/quote]

If I ate while I trained, I would throw up. In fact, if I eat less than 45min before I actually touch a weight, I get nauseated. I usually have to wait 45min to an hour before I lift after I eat. Unless you are sitting in the gym for hours, there is little need to stop mid-session to eat again. Lift heavy, stay focused, get the hell out of the gym and go eat.

Although Surge was originally designed to be used post-workout. My impression and experience is that it is even better if sipped during and downed after.

The whole science of Surge is designed for your system to be somewhat clear of nutrients. The idea being that to get as much digestion/absorbtion with as little blood shunting (if any) to the stomach (hence the hydrolyzed whey, etc.).

Most will suggest any meal consumed within 1 hour of training be liquid form and of easy to digest carbohydrates or few macronutrients in general (the idea behind Powerdrive).

With that said, while training under JB I consumed a meal 2 hours before a workout and let it clear out. I sipped a Surge mix during and downed a full one after.

I think you’ll notice a better effect from Surge if you have a “empty” stomach (as is also suggested on the instructions on the Surge label).

If you are bulking, Surge is usually cleared out in 45 minutes so go ahead and start munching on the hour after your Surge.

TriDub

After the recent roundtable, I started splitting my serving of Surge into half immediately before and half immediately after. I do feel better during the workout with the preworkout serving. And I notice less DOMS than a full serving after. I don’t get any nausea but that’s just me.

I happen to think I’m chronicly under hydrated and dowing a half liter of liquid before I train helps the situation.

I’m by no means addicted to the pump, but I do notice a fuller pump with the preworkout serving as well.

Just my experience, take it for what it’s worth.

I forgot to mention that the liquid carbs before a workout has been shown to be detrimental to some and positive for others. There have been studies show in helps with blood glucose levels and studies to show that it can cause a drop in blood glucose. Experiment and see what works but all in all I suggest a meal 2 hours before and Surge during and after.

I have experimented with doing 60-70% of my workout, downing my protein shake, and finishing my workout. It gives me a nice lift. I don’t flag away like I sometimes do. But I seem to have a strong stomach. I don’t get nauseated from eating before exercise. I can eat a small solid meal immediately before exercise too. I discovered that when I started eating bananas or chocolate bars immediately before playing rugby and felt my play to improve. See what works for you. It also depends on your goals- bulking or cutting.

Protein with some fat and minimal carbs 60-90 minutes before lifting. Surge, or best comparable food choice (skim milk) after, and another meal like the first 60-90 minutes after.

The body was not made for digestion and maximal exertion at the same time. They each draw blood in different directions, and water too.

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
The body was not made for digestion and maximal exertion at the same time. They each draw blood in different directions, and water too.[/quote]

Wasn’t this refuted in the Triple-Shot Roundtable? They used the example of endurance runners who down carb drinks while running, and the fact that it doesn’t impair them.

[quote]michaelv wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
Protein with some fat and minimal carbs 60-90 minutes before lifting. Surge, or best comparable food choice (skim milk) after, and another meal like the first 60-90 minutes after.

The body was not made for digestion and maximal exertion at the same time. They each draw blood in different directions, and water too.

Wasn’t this refuted in the Triple-Shot Roundtable? They used the example of endurance runners who down carb drinks while running, and the fact that it doesn’t impair them.[/quote]

As an endurance athlete, yes; totally different circumstance. The idea is to just get through the race not to worry about building or getting better after. In Ironmans athletes eat anything from oreo cookies to ham and cheese sandwhiches (doesn’t mean its good). Also, USUALLY the carb drinks being consumed are of very simple nature and easily digested (ie dextrose, hydrolyzed rice syrup, etc.); thus, exactly like Surge (requiring very little blood “relocation”). Point being: many athletes have experienced a benefit of consuming these “simple” items (Surge, powdered gatorade, etc) during workout because they aid in maintaining blood glucose levels (sparing liver glycogen) and don’t require much blood to be taken away from the working muscles.

[quote]trigwu wrote:
As an endurance athlete, yes; totally different circumstance. The idea is to just get through the race not to worry about building or getting better after.[/quote]

Yes, the point remains that if there was a serious impairment, it would impair them the same as it would impair a bodybuilder. In fact, I would think it would impair them more, since they’re trying to sustain an uninterrupted high level of activity.

While I understand what you’re saying, I don’t think anyone was proposing having a pizza delivered during their workout. We’re talking Surge or equivalent here.

And that’s where I’m going. Surge during a workout won’t impair you.

Leave the ham and cheese sandwiches at home, however.

[quote]michaelv wrote:
trigwu wrote:
As an endurance athlete, yes; totally different circumstance. The idea is to just get through the race not to worry about building or getting better after.

Yes, the point remains that if there was a serious impairment, it would impair them the same as it would impair a bodybuilder. In fact, I would think it would impair them more, since they’re trying to sustain an uninterrupted high level of activity.[/quote]

Your body uses a great deal of blood volume to digest food, especially if it is not a simple sugar. You are arguing over fast and slow digestion times. Clearly, a simple sugar in LIQUID form will take little in the way of digestion. However, let’s use that same thought process and figure out why you wouldn’t want to consume simple sugars BEFORE an intense training session.

I’ll wait as you see how far that chocolate chip cookie gets you in a leg training session.

I think you understood what he was saying but still tried to make it seem as if he was wrong.

When I train Boxing, Muay Thai, and Sub grappling back to back, sometimes that is like 3hrs.

We have breaks, so I normally have water, oranges, some mixed nuts, and a protien shake if I think I can hold it down.

Otherwise as far as just lifting? Nothing really, water thats it. Or some juice with creatine and a little maltodextrose, dextrose, and a mineral supplement. (and a scoop of whey)

[quote]michaelv wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
The body was not made for digestion and maximal exertion at the same time. They each draw blood in different directions, and water too.

Wasn’t this refuted in the Triple-Shot Roundtable? They used the example of endurance runners who down carb drinks while running, and the fact that it doesn’t impair them.[/quote]

In my opinion, its not so much the blood, but the water. If you take straight Gatoraide, or Surge, it is 2-3 times more concentrated than would be a true isotonic solution, so water gets pulled into the stomach to dilute it. 1 Serving of Surge with 32 ounces of water would probably be close to isotonic.

I am not quite sure who you are referring to Prof.

If in reference to me, I wasn’t trying to prove anyone wrong, just showing endurance athletes are of a different nature then body builders.

In terms of VO2 an endurance event is not a “max” effort. Yes, you are giving it all you’ve got, but, in terms of energy pathways, you are relying more on fat oxidation to run the citric acid cycle to get your ATP more so then relying entirely on the ATP-PC / Rapid Glycolysis pathways to get your ATP. These would be utilized in a “biological” max effort. This MIGHT have an effect on digestion tolerance, whether positive or negative I am not sure.

Either way, we agree on Surge.

Ive stuck with a solid meal 2 hours before (with some healthy fats), 1/2 Surge during, and “slamming” 1/2 Surge after.

[quote]Zulu wrote:
Do you guys eat before you train and while you train or just one of the two? [/quote]

Also, here’s the MAIN thing. The whole theory behind post exercise carb ingestion that led to the development of Surge in the first place was that short term local glycogen depletion increased local insulin sensitivity and permitted large amounts of carbs to be preferrentially stored in muscle. If your drinking Surge during a workout, you will never get short term local glycogen depletion in the first place and you destroy the very mechanism that makes post workout nutrition work in the first place.

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
michaelv wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
The body was not made for digestion and maximal exertion at the same time. They each draw blood in different directions, and water too.

Wasn’t this refuted in the Triple-Shot Roundtable? They used the example of endurance runners who down carb drinks while running, and the fact that it doesn’t impair them.

In my opinion, its not so much the blood, but the water. If you take straight Gatoraide, or Surge, it is 2-3 times more concentrated than would be a true isotonic solution, so water gets pulled into the stomach to dilute it. 1 Serving of Surge with 32 ounces of water would probably be close to isotonic.[/quote]

The magic number is usually 8% carbohydrate concentration.

Good point though, with solid food you probably have the issue of water being pulled to the gut in addition to blood.

[quote]trigwu wrote:
I am not quite sure who you are referring to Prof.

If in reference to me, I wasn’t trying to prove anyone wrong, just showing endurance athletes are of a different nature then body builders.
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I agree with you. I generally try to quote the person I am referring to. I did that…your post was simply quoted in his.