Wow! A new low…Dutch cops not being able to smoke pot is Americas fault. Fucking George Bush. How about this, we will pull out of Iraq and head to the Netherlands since thats obviously where the real trouble is, I mean fuck the terrorists those cops need their weed.
Marijuana (Mary Jane)was originally outlawed in the us because it was something Mexicans peasants enjoyed. That’s why it has a Spanish name.
The war on drugs was Richard Nixons revenge on the antiwar movement. Many of the leaders of the antiwar movement used drugs, the war on drugs was a way to target them and put them in jail for excercising their first amendment rights.
So America is very much to blame for this mess which pumps over three hundred billion dollars a year into the hands of criminals and has saddled our children and grandchildren with Trillions of dollars in debt.
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
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No can do, because when the US started the war on drugs in earnest, lots of international treaties where signed that Marijuana and the like is very, very bad and must be verboten.
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What year did Dutchland outlaw pot? How about the rest of Europe.
Your blame America act is tired.
Austria made it illegal in the late 60s, I do not know the exact year for Holland but I am guessing around the same time.
Long, long, loooong after Anslingers weed makes-em-negroes-uppity and-horny-schtick.
The whole idea of a prohibition is so undeniably protestant American that yes, I blame America.
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Plus I just found out that Weed was finally made illegal in the late 60s in the US and, what a coincidence that was when it was forbidden in Austria too.
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So let me get this strait, you blame the U.S. for policies your country made? Are you guys such pussies that that you will do what ever we say? You guys can’t make up your own mind? If so, good, take some of the illegal immigrants off of our hands. Give them free medical, housing and food, they deserve it.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
Why don’t I live in Amsterdam? What a place![/quote]
The food sucks (unless you like Gouda cheese and potatoes),
the weather sucks, the Dutch are cheap and like to tour around in caravans. Other than that, yeah, it is a great place. They have a number of enlightened policies on drugs, euthanasia and prostitution. And the women there are way cool!
[quote]pat36 wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
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No can do, because when the US started the war on drugs in earnest, lots of international treaties where signed that Marijuana and the like is very, very bad and must be verboten.
…
What year did Dutchland outlaw pot? How about the rest of Europe.
Your blame America act is tired.
Austria made it illegal in the late 60s, I do not know the exact year for Holland but I am guessing around the same time.
Long, long, loooong after Anslingers weed makes-em-negroes-uppity and-horny-schtick.
The whole idea of a prohibition is so undeniably protestant American that yes, I blame America.
edit:
Plus I just found out that Weed was finally made illegal in the late 60s in the US and, what a coincidence that was when it was forbidden in Austria too.
So let me get this strait, you blame the U.S. for policies your country made? Are you guys such pussies that that you will do what ever we say? You guys can’t make up your own mind? If so, good, take some of the illegal immigrants off of our hands. Give them free medical, housing and food, they deserve it.[/quote]
Of course our politicians were pussies which does not change that they were bullied into this prohibition thing at the height of the cold war by the US.
We gave in to many demands of the SU too, but that hardly made it our policy.
I do give European politicians credit though, that they never went the US way with the war on drugs.
Or maybe I should give the Europeans some credit because their policies are seldom guided by fear or hysteria.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
So let me get this strait, you blame the U.S. for policies your country made? .[/quote]
Pat, in all honest, I believe he is right on this one. I don’t have a reference for you at hand, but I remember that Nixon did put strong pressure on some countries to schedule stuff like LSD and other drugs, back in the late 60s and early 70s.
Well on behalf of America, I am sorry that your Police Officers are not allowed to smoke the hippie lettuce.
[quote]orion wrote:
pat36 wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
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No can do, because when the US started the war on drugs in earnest, lots of international treaties where signed that Marijuana and the like is very, very bad and must be verboten.
…
What year did Dutchland outlaw pot? How about the rest of Europe.
Your blame America act is tired.
Austria made it illegal in the late 60s, I do not know the exact year for Holland but I am guessing around the same time.
Long, long, loooong after Anslingers weed makes-em-negroes-uppity and-horny-schtick.
The whole idea of a prohibition is so undeniably protestant American that yes, I blame America.
edit:
Plus I just found out that Weed was finally made illegal in the late 60s in the US and, what a coincidence that was when it was forbidden in Austria too.
So let me get this strait, you blame the U.S. for policies your country made? Are you guys such pussies that that you will do what ever we say? You guys can’t make up your own mind? If so, good, take some of the illegal immigrants off of our hands. Give them free medical, housing and food, they deserve it.
Of course our politicians were pussies which does not change that they were bullied into this prohibition thing at the height of the cold war by the US.
We gave in to many demands of the SU too, but that hardly made it our policy.
I do give European politicians credit though, that they never went the US way with the war on drugs.
Or maybe I should give the Europeans some credit because their policies are seldom guided by fear or hysteria.
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Well, there is no doubt about the fact the Nixon was an asshole on a grand scale and undoing everything the cocksucker ever did, including trade with China, would be a fantastic idea in my opinion, BUT Austria had a choice and they chose prohibition. What were we going to do, ban schnitzel?
Holland gave us the finger and we are fine with them. That’s like jumping off a bridge because someone told you to. Ultimately, you guys made that decision…don’t blame us. I am all for abolishing all forms of prohibition.
AND, by the way, protestantism came from Europe too.
Refer madness!!
[quote]pat36 wrote:
by the way, protestantism came from Europe too. [/quote]
Puritanism has more to do with drug prohibition laws and I believe Americans excel in the most f’ed up versions of Christianity. Do Baptists exist is large proportions outside of Dixie? I am ignorant concerning these questions.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pat36 wrote:
by the way, protestantism came from Europe too.
Puritanism has more to do with drug prohibition laws and I believe Americans excel in the most f’ed up versions of Christianity. Do Baptists exist is large proportions outside of Dixie? I am ignorant concerning these questions.[/quote]
They are pretty big in the mid west, I am not sure about the rest of the country.
[quote]orion wrote:
pat36 wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Or maybe I should give the Europeans some credit because their policies are seldom guided by fear or hysteria.
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Actually Orion, Fear, Hysteria and predjudice were used to get certain policies in place.
However the real motivation was the almighty Dollar. There is a lot of money being made on both sides of the law, from the war on drugs.
Remember what Eisenhower said, beware of the military industrial complex. They also do a brisk trade in cop toys.
Building and supplying prisons is a good business to get into also. Because you have a captive audience.
Organised crime is making enough money off of selling drugs to buy politicians who will keep pushing the policy of interdiction.
Interdiction is nothing more than price support. In a capitalist market if supply outstrips demand prices plummet and suppliers can end up losing all their investment and going out of business. Then supplys become eratic and you have booms and crashes.
Interdiction keeps Americas drug addiction humming along smoothly and the money keeps rolling in.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
BUT Austria had a choice and they chose prohibition. What were we going to do, ban schnitzel?
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Is you crazy?
How can you even contemplate to ban ze Schnitzel?
[quote]John S. wrote:
Could you imagine being able to say you smoked with a cop and didn’t get arrested?
The law seems unfair for them, if its legal for the civs then it should be legal for them. Well legal in the sense that they don’t inforce the law against it.[/quote]
I have smoked pot with cops and didn’t get arrested
you may have to cut and paste . It is a little long but it was worth my time
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
John S. wrote:
Could you imagine being able to say you smoked with a cop and didn’t get arrested?
The law seems unfair for them, if its legal for the civs then it should be legal for them. Well legal in the sense that they don’t inforce the law against it.
I have smoked pot with cops and didn’t get arrested[/quote]
Your from Arizona, I would expect nothing less from there.
[quote]orion wrote:
pat36 wrote:
BUT Austria had a choice and they chose prohibition. What were we going to do, ban schnitzel?
Is you crazy?
How can you even contemplate to ban ze Schnitzel?
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I miss my Jagerschnizel…Love that stuff…