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Drug Test Question

When you are random drug screened by your employer, and steroids are one of the drugs they test for…

When you do test positive, but provide a TRT prescription, you are fine.

But what if you are injecting 1000g and your script is for 100g? Do they test on the amount? Surely not… Is there a range, though?

… there is a range of “normal” yes… it’s usually from 300-1050 or something like that.

1g of test will put you far over the range of normal. I would suggest you get that figured out before you are tested

I’m pretty sure it’s just street drugs like marajuana,cocaine…ect…
AAS testing is more expensive, and usually not done for a regular non athletic job.

No, I’ve already been through it. I guess they can determine if you have synthetic test in your urine. Then you just have to provide proof that you are on TRT. My dose is 100g, and at the time I was taking 150-200g.

Maybe I would settle for a 500g dose. I’ve only gone as high as 300 for 4 weeks. Been on TRT for almost 3 years. I know my test level when I got on it was 200! And it was as high as 864. Done all through a specialist not a primary care doc. Take my AI of course.

Second question to Mr Walk: what type of anabolic response can one expect going from a test level of 500 to 1000 given diet level is in a surplus training in a 4 day split, focusing on heavy compounds?

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
No, I’ve already been through it. I guess they can determine if you have synthetic test in your urine. Then you just have to provide proof that you are on TRT. My dose is 100g, and at the time I was taking 150-200g.

Maybe I would settle for a 500g dose. I’ve only gone as high as 300 for 4 weeks. Been on TRT for almost 3 years. I know my test level when I got on it was 200! And it was as high as 864. Done all through a specialist not a primary care doc. Take my AI of course.

Second question to Mr Walk: what type of anabolic response can one expect going from a test level of 500 to 1000 given diet level is in a surplus training in a 4 day split, focusing on heavy compounds?[/quote]

ok first, aas is dosed in MG, not G…

you are asking me what type of anabolic response you can expect from having your testosterone within the normal range? are you asking 500-1000 nanograms per deciliter of blood or 500-1000mg of synthetic testosterone a week?

if you are asking 500-1000ng/dl, then you are average to high-average… and you shouldn’t expect to see anything truly remarkable…

500-1000mg a week, you should see significant gains in size and strength if diet and training are on point… but it will show up on your blood work.

generally speaking, the more test you take, the more muscle you will gain, and the more fat you will lose if all other things (diet, training, rest, health) are on point

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
generally speaking, the more test you take, the more muscle you will gain, and the more fat you will lose if all other things (diet, training, rest, health) are on point[/quote]

Age, genetic predisposition, and mitigation of aromatization are all factors you neglected to mention.

I realize you are going to assume I am just another newbie, but regardless - you should educate yourself properly before dispensing shotgun advice.

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
generally speaking, the more test you take, the more muscle you will gain, and the more fat you will lose if all other things (diet, training, rest, health) are on point[/quote]

Age, genetic predisposition, and mitigation of aromatization are all factors you neglected to mention.

I realize you are going to assume I am just another newbie, but regardless - you should educate yourself properly before dispensing shotgun advice. [/quote]

“all other things on point”… taking your AI is a given, so I didn’t mention it.

doesn’t matter what your age/genetic predisposition is, the more you take, the more results you will get.

im not sure what your point is…

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
No, I’ve already been through it. I guess they can determine if you have synthetic test in your urine. Then you just have to provide proof that you are on TRT. My dose is 100g, and at the time I was taking 150-200g.

Maybe I would settle for a 500g dose. I’ve only gone as high as 300 for 4 weeks. Been on TRT for almost 3 years. I know my test level when I got on it was 200! And it was as high as 864. Done all through a specialist not a primary care doc. Take my AI of course.

Second question to Mr Walk: what type of anabolic response can one expect going from a test level of 500 to 1000 given diet level is in a surplus training in a 4 day split, focusing on heavy compounds?[/quote]

ok first, aas is dosed in MG, not G…

you are asking me what type of anabolic response you can expect from having your testosterone within the normal range? are you asking 500-1000 nanograms per deciliter of blood or 500-1000mg of synthetic testosterone a week?

if you are asking 500-1000ng/dl, then you are average to high-average… and you shouldn’t expect to see anything truly remarkable…

500-1000mg a week, you should see significant gains in size and strength if diet and training are on point… but it will show up on your blood work.

generally speaking, the more test you take, the more muscle you will gain, and the more fat you will lose if all other things (diet, training, rest, health) are on point[/quote]

I was referring to 500-1000 mg of synthetic test. I think I will settle for 500mg with a dose taken Thursday morning. With peak blood levels taking 48 hours to reach, I think I would be ok if I got screened Friday or Monday. Probably the safest route.

ahh the ostrich approach, I like it!

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
No, I’ve already been through it. I guess they can determine if you have synthetic test in your urine. Then you just have to provide proof that you are on TRT. My dose is 100g, and at the time I was taking 150-200g.

Maybe I would settle for a 500g dose. I’ve only gone as high as 300 for 4 weeks. Been on TRT for almost 3 years. I know my test level when I got on it was 200! And it was as high as 864. Done all through a specialist not a primary care doc. Take my AI of course.

Second question to Mr Walk: what type of anabolic response can one expect going from a test level of 500 to 1000 given diet level is in a surplus training in a 4 day split, focusing on heavy compounds?[/quote]

ok first, aas is dosed in MG, not G…

you are asking me what type of anabolic response you can expect from having your testosterone within the normal range? are you asking 500-1000 nanograms per deciliter of blood or 500-1000mg of synthetic testosterone a week?

if you are asking 500-1000ng/dl, then you are average to high-average… and you shouldn’t expect to see anything truly remarkable…

500-1000mg a week, you should see significant gains in size and strength if diet and training are on point… but it will show up on your blood work.

generally speaking, the more test you take, the more muscle you will gain, and the more fat you will lose if all other things (diet, training, rest, health) are on point[/quote]

I was referring to 500-1000 mg of synthetic test. I think I will settle for 500mg with a dose taken Thursday morning. With peak blood levels taking 48 hours to reach, I think I would be ok if I got screened Friday or Monday. Probably the safest route.
[/quote]

No, you wouldn’t. If they test only for test levels in your blood, by injecting 500mg test E on thursday, you will need 2 weeks before your levels drop to upper range of normal. But if you do a cycle, and they also test for lh’fsh, those are gonna be undetectable, so you are screwed. BUT, if they test for the metabolites, you are screwed for a good 3 months. If you know when the test is gonna be, then you can plan accordingly. Test prop gets detected up to 3 weeks after last dose, so I would look into that. TNE, since it has no ester, cannot be detected 4 days after last injection.

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

“all other things on point”… taking your AI is a given, so I didn’t mention it.

doesn’t matter what your age/genetic predisposition is, the more you take, the more results you will get.

im not sure what your point is…[/quote]

“All other things on point”… How much adex, letro, or exemastane is a proper dose for a gram per week? The topic starter is a 46 yo male who is taking trt levels of testosterone. You know nothing about his heart condition or BP history. Nor do you know anything about any genetic predisposition for having heart trouble or high BP. I know from experience that taking a gram per week at 40+ is a completely different ballgame than a gram a week at -35.

The more is better mantra is not the mantra of wisdom. I was where you are. I was brazenly championing my 1.8g per week total AAS consumption, thinking anyone who thought differently was simply an uneducated fear monger.

Maybe your advice is okay for the 20-something crowd, even the 30-somethings. But the 45+ crowd is far less likely to benefit from a gram per week, and far more likely to have things go wrong.

EDIT
Sorry. I got my threads mixed up. I’m not sure how old the topic starter is in this thread. My opinion is still the same but most likely misplaced in this thread. My bad.

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

“all other things on point”… taking your AI is a given, so I didn’t mention it.

doesn’t matter what your age/genetic predisposition is, the more you take, the more results you will get.

im not sure what your point is…[/quote]

“All other things on point”… How much adex, letro, or exemastane is a proper dose for a gram per week? The topic starter is a 46 yo male who is taking trt levels of testosterone. You know nothing about his heart condition or BP history. Nor do you know anything about any genetic predisposition for having heart trouble or high BP. I know from experience that taking a gram per week at 40+ is a completely different ballgame than a gram a week at -35.

The more is better mantra is not the mantra of wisdom. I was where you are. I was brazenly championing my 1.8g per week total AAS consumption, thinking anyone who thought differently was simply an uneducated fear monger.

Maybe your advice is okay for the 20-something crowd, even the 30-somethings. But the 45+ crowd is far less likely to benefit from a gram per week, and far more likely to have things go wrong.

EDIT
Sorry. I got my threads mixed up. I’m not sure how old the topic starter is in this thread. My opinion is still the same but most likely misplaced in this thread. My bad.
[/quote]

I mentioned “health”, which covers all that you just described

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
No, I’ve already been through it. I guess they can determine if you have synthetic test in your urine. Then you just have to provide proof that you are on TRT. My dose is 100g, and at the time I was taking 150-200g.

Maybe I would settle for a 500g dose. I’ve only gone as high as 300 for 4 weeks. Been on TRT for almost 3 years. I know my test level when I got on it was 200! And it was as high as 864. Done all through a specialist not a primary care doc. Take my AI of course.

Second question to Mr Walk: what type of anabolic response can one expect going from a test level of 500 to 1000 given diet level is in a surplus training in a 4 day split, focusing on heavy compounds?[/quote]

ok first, aas is dosed in MG, not G…

you are asking me what type of anabolic response you can expect from having your testosterone within the normal range? are you asking 500-1000 nanograms per deciliter of blood or 500-1000mg of synthetic testosterone a week?

if you are asking 500-1000ng/dl, then you are average to high-average… and you shouldn’t expect to see anything truly remarkable…

500-1000mg a week, you should see significant gains in size and strength if diet and training are on point… but it will show up on your blood work.

generally speaking, the more test you take, the more muscle you will gain, and the more fat you will lose if all other things (diet, training, rest, health) are on point[/quote]

I was referring to 500-1000 mg of synthetic test. I think I will settle for 500mg with a dose taken Thursday morning. With peak blood levels taking 48 hours to reach, I think I would be ok if I got screened Friday or Monday. Probably the safest route.
[/quote]

No, you wouldn’t. If they test only for test levels in your blood, by injecting 500mg test E on thursday, you will need 2 weeks before your levels drop to upper range of normal. But if you do a cycle, and they also test for lh’fsh, those are gonna be undetectable, so you are screwed. BUT, if they test for the metabolites, you are screwed for a good 3 months. If you know when the test is gonna be, then you can plan accordingly. Test prop gets detected up to 3 weeks after last dose, so I would look into that. TNE, since it has no ester, cannot be detected 4 days after last injection.[/quote]

Ah Negative.

Age 32. Test Cyp.

They test for AAS, but since I have a script I’m fine… my question was about the range when I’m in “blast mode”. I imagine If I pin 1x per week (which is not ideal, I know) on thursday at 500mg, my peak would probably be at 1100-1200ng/dl tested level worst case (if tested on monday morning) . Then of course I would tell them I pinned on Saturday… so the peak level would be on Monday (LOL!).

Is that right Mr Walk?

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
I mentioned “health”, which covers all that you just described[/quote]

I guess you missed my retraction.

Drug tests in regular jobs are 11 panel tests. Opiates, amphetamines, marijuana, ect. Steroids tests are only done in Athletics and the Military as they are very expensive.

This is the “end around” for LEOs…

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
This is the “end around” for LEOs…[/quote]

I suppose this makes you the enemy…

nevertheless, taking a TRT dose above 150mg or so weekly is almost guaranteed be detected by a test that is testing for steroids.

I understand. I’m in corrections so size and strength is sometimes a job requirement. I don’t arrest people, but I get your point.

We’re all sinners.