Dr. John Crisler Has Passed

Based on what im watching, reading, etc, i think this gad zero corrilation with ai’s. Stopping an Ai would never cause suicidal tendencies. However, i do wonder if he took DHEA and pregnenolone. I “assume” yes. I mean, he was a brillant guy. Dude did CPR on himself during a heart attack. Fucking hell. Aint NEVVVVEEERR Heard of such a thing before.

Brilliant!

He was NOT a closed minded non progressive guy. Dude was on the front lines.

We don’t know what was going on behind closed doors, it’s impossible to know the intimate details of one’s life, sometimes you don’t even know the people you think you’re closest too. It’s possible he had a very high stress lifestyle, perhaps some kind of blackmail/extortion was being pulled, maybe he was simply very, very depressed, it’s a shame but these things do happen.

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Thats a good point. JC did sever ties with him 7 months ago. He claimed it was because of the Ai but that seemed shakey.

You just never know, hormonal shifts can cause massive disturbances in previously well-balanced individuals. I know multiple therapists/doctors who’ve told me that their female patients experience horrific symptoms around menstruation, granted most have pre-existing mental illness.

Withdrawing from TRT was the worse (BY FAR) experience of my life and took me down a mental path I never thought was possible for me, still haven’t fully recovered. Not comparing going cold-turkey off a hormone to coming off an AI, but we’re all bio-chemically unique and react differently to things. Just saying, anything is possible, especially if he was already stressed.

Are you all saying he came off ai? I guess after a couple decades your body would have issues. I read somewhere in the boards that the body has issues converting e2 if ai is used for too long. .

Regardless, he was a top medical professional in trt and saw things as a challenge. At his age he could easily get back on ai and not have to deal with getting off. It’s not like he’s 40 and expects to live 20-40 years longer. He was 62.

I just can’t see him letting something like removing ai from his protocol get the better of him. He has numerous colleagues who would of consukted him. I heard him say he spoke to other docs often.

Curious about your comment… Who is jc? Why did he cut the relationship. Sorry all new to me… is jc that jay guy from tot revolution?

Lastly, I never understood how one could commit suicide. I just didn’t understand. Then one day I started having the thoughts. Hated waking up. Found no joy in anything but sitting at a video game and playing for hours. I didn’t really contemplate, but I did realize I was going down the path. I was done with life and done staying strong.

Right now I feel much better than about 5 weeks ago when I started trt. Actually early this week I started feeling closer to my normal self and it’s so relieving. It is as though I can breathe easier and little things like music lift my mood. Where as days previous nothing worked. Caffeine didn’t wake me . Working out no longer gave me the buzz. Nothing.

I hope TRT doesn’t cause my preg and dhea to go off balance. I think I’ll start adding that to my quarterly lab test … how does one supplement these two hormones? Are they by pill or shot?

Why did you withdraw from trt dude. Did you get back on it. I do not ever expect to get off.

It was during my first run on TRT. I was having constant panic attacks after 7 months of being fine on it. I wasn’t educated on TRT like I am currently, I just let my urologist lead the charge. It was he who made the decision to take me off because he’d never heard of someone getting anxiety from TRT. Turns out my E2 was sky high and he didn’t think that was an issue. I was on a bad protocol (200mg every two weeks) and just didn’t have the knowledge of SHBG, E2, etc. I’m back on TRT now with a reputable company.

This happens all the time, I wish people understood that it can happen to anyone at any time, sometimes for absolutely no reason at all.

I believe you can get them both in pill/capsule form. My doctor suggested some pregnenolone for sleep a few weeks ago. I declined because I’m trying to dial in my testosterone and I don’t want another factor throwing anything off.

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Melatonin works for me if I need help sleeping

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Yeah, it used to be a godsend for me a few years ago. Tried it again a couple months ago and it would mess me up good the day after I took it, felt like a zombie. I think it has something to do with the SSRI I got on earlier this year.

I just wanted to add here that while I never knew Dr. Crisler personally, I had actually almost called him last week to consider changing to him. So this is very sad news on many levels.

I want to address the comment about “not understanding why someone would kill themselves”. I have all my life been a positive person and everyone around me feeds off my positive energy etc. I have NEVER considered doing it and let me tell you, when the Dr. crashed my E2 with Anastrozole. Oh… My… God…

All I will say is, yes, the thoughts even crossed my mind several times while I was writing my posts last week. Thank God that feeling has worn off but trust me now from experience. A Happy, very successful Executive and beautiful family, these thoughts actually tried to push against me hard just last week. Do NOT underestimate the power of what we are doing here and the effects of going on the wrong doses, coming off them to fast etc.

It’s real. Be afraid of not understanding and using AI’s properly (or to early). I am now.

RIP Dr. Crisler.

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I’m really sad to hear this news. I got a lot out of Dr. Crisler’s videos and forum posts. I liked his humility and willingness to course-correct his recommendations based on new research and patient outcomes.

This is yet another example of somebody who, on the surface, appeared to have all his shit together - a successful doctor and famous SME with vibrant health and vitality - but in reality was battling demons very few people knew about. Just another reminder to be slow to anger, quick to forgive, and nicer to everyone than you think you have to be - even nicer than you think they might deserve, because you never know how close someone is to the edge.

RIP Dr. Crisler

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What dosage? And does a slow release with better?

I hope others who are manipulating hormones see this and understand that they may be the ones who become vulnerable to these thoughts.

I’ve heard about this stuff in bodybuilding over the years. Online personalities like Marc Lobliner and Jerry Ward warn about suicide risks associated with steroid use. Little did I know how even TRT could fuck you up when you’re lacking knowledge or you have an incompetent doctor. Thank god I never went down the AI route, don’t need that on top of everything else. Glad you’re doing better.

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Gentlemen - any time you manipulate one SINGLE hormone you are manipulating a ton more than most of you probably know exist. The downstream effects of screwing with hormones is HUGE, not to mention neurotransmitters (hugely important). Small changes. Adjust ONE hormone at a time only. Not “oh this is happening let me toss my body more curve balls.”

I have expressed the importance of not fucking with AI for almost a year on this site and finally seeing it as the right course of action by the community is great. We are moving in the right direction.

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I’m sorry but there is no evidence he hung himself because of AI use.
Man this thread is so full of speculation, down right bad guesses, with a little bro-science thrown in.
Here’s is hoping we can continue the AI debate out of this thread about the loss of Dr Crisler.
FYI Dr Crisler’s TRT doctor is/was Dr Saya from Defy.

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Too say the man kill himself, just because he stopped taking the A.I and let his estrogen go higher, is completely brain dead without any logic behind it. I am pretty sure John was upset by people messing him about, also his Workload from thousands of Men, coming in & out of the Office, trying to manage all their protocols too for so many years is definitely common sense reasoning. Also he was fantastic about T. R.T he gave me much Insight. Condolences

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This is speculation however potentially he was diagnosed with a terminal illness or something along those lines like a neurodegenerative condition?

If we take a look at crude charts outlining suicide rates by age we can see MANY individuals who take their own life tend to be middle or elderly men. These men tend to be depressed (however since depression is in many cases invisible one might not realise) and decide “fuck it, I’ve had enough” and suddenly out of nowhere they end their life.

I am truly sorry to hear about the loss of John Crisler, it’s very sad when one dies in a fashion like this (esp hanging, really makes you think how badly the individual must have been suffering in order to take their own life in such a fashion)

I think it’s healthy to talk about this death and protocols etc. That’s why we are in this forum is to learn. We can respect the man and talk about trt.

How good is it for us when Dr Saya perscibes thyroid meds, dhea,
pregnenolone, testosterone, growth hormone and sometimes hcg all at once, and an AI! I’ve read These protocols frequently . And he tells guys to frequently start at 150 MG a week now. Talk about manipulating many hormones at the same time. Talk about curve balls these are sinkers especially for a guy over 35 @physioLojik.

We can talk about this because these guys are supposedly pioneers in trt. This is our lives too!!!

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GROWTH HORMONE!!! IIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNTTTTTEEERRREEESSSTTTIIINNG! just kidding I’m not going to ever use GH unless I ever become deficient in said hormone. I’d assume he’s prescribing it for anti aging purposes? Or is it for performance enhancement?

I have no problem with these gurus, however sometimes I wonder if they prescribe what they legitimately feel is right or if they prescribe whatever the patient asks for/ thinks is right. There’s a balance, it’s always good to be open to a patient’s needs, however you need to show restraint, esp if the patient isn’t well educated on the risks said drugs contain. That’s just my opinion, I think the med board in Aus here is too strict, and I think for athletes and VERY well educated individuals, most anabolic steroids should be available at the pharmacy (equiv to S3 medication like dihydrocodiene… Although I personally think dihydrocodeine should be S4 or S8 here no matter the dosage of the preparation as it is so open to abuse but it is what it is) to be dispensed by the pharmacist to certain individuals and the pharmacist would be able to give out advice and whatnot, not only would the money go towards govt spending, there would be a drop in Bikie gangs distributing the steroids here!

There’s another unethical reason man, prescribe for :dollar::moneybag:. They send their scripts to empower pharmacy mostly. I mean who else in this country is prescribing compounded dhea/preg capsules, Sermorelin injections, etc. Am just speculating but the drug industry is huuuuge. And they need to sell those -.1 and.125 MG arimidex…