army stud wrote:
Well mate TRT is not a temporary fix. It shuts you down as hard as you can be.
The HCG ONLY signals the testes to secrete T, it does nothing for the brain which will remain fully inhibited.
HCG does keep the balls working but does not counter being shut down.
Once you go on TRT the idea is you stay on it… don’t take this decision lightly.
Also you are not going to build slabs of muscle and get tonk on that as it is a therapeutic dose that is a replacement for your natural testosterone - ie. T-R-T. It is not SUPRAphysiological (or not supposed to be - and really doesn’t want to be for health reasons, especially if you have no way to control the estrogen which will be really quite high on T and HCG).
You are young, you may want kids, TRT doesn’t rule this out but it may well make it an issue - and the HCG stimulates the Testes to make T, not sperm.
I suspect there is a little more to this than you have given thought.
May i ask… what was the plan? To go on T injections to ‘fix’ you? I mean… what is the meaning of going on test replacement then exclaiming you dont want to be ‘shut down hard’ again? That is kinda… well.
It kind of puts me in a crappy predicament. My levels are obviously naturally low for my age but always have been. I would ideally hord all the doctor prescribed injectable test and make it cycle-worthy, opposed to TRT.
BUT I am sitting at a test level of 217 right now and I’m feeling like a 10 year old girl scout.
BUT it’s also very important for me to have kids in the near future.
What if I did the daily HcG and oral test to boost my levels a tad, and once I have a more sustained level, I start the injectable? Won’t taking clomid in conjunction help with the sperm count?
Thanks for the help.
Viable sperm require very high concentrations of testosterone, locally, to ensure viable development. When you take steroids you no longer produce testosterone in the testes so sperm cannot develop. Testosterone from external sources cannot diffuse into the testes in high enough concentrations to ever allow sperm development, no matter how much you took. Clomid will have no impact on sperm count whilst taking any chemical that shuts down natural testosterone production it will never restart your own T production whilst using AS. After AS use is over and your system is clear testosterone etc it can help retart and increase sperm count thus.
The only way to keep sperm healthy whilst on gear is regular HCG use
FSH - does this have absolutely no mention in sperm production?
This is inhibited on steroids and HCG does nothing for it.[/quote]
JJ - Sperm can develop normally without FSH in the presence of HCG (admittedly at lower concentrations but viable never the less). See the link below - normal sperm production in males who have had their FSH and LH secretion suppressed by exogenous T. Normal sperm production occurs with HCG addition - despite the fact that FSH is not present