I tried wellbutrin at various levels for libido.
When taking 100mg SR a day, on about day 10, I was a rabid horn dog. But it lasted only about 10 hours and never came back. It was the BEST feeling ever. Since that time, I’ve experimented with the drug at numerous levels, etc. All it did was give me a boost in speaking confidence and keep me up at night. So I discontinued it.
I’d try it and see how it works. Cant hurt.
Those cortisol levels are really high brother. I would definitely try bringing DHEA a little higher and getting an adrenal complex. If you do cardio during your workouts (If you workout), drop that for a while. If you drink a lot then you should limit your alcohol intake as well.
Cortisol levels can make or break your feeling of well being, and your body’s ability to gain / retain muscle mass among other things.
No … I don’t fully understand it.
@sublimeprince32 - Im intrigued by these ratio calculations. My libido comes and goes. In June when blood was tested, it was sky high. Now, for some reason it’s disappeared.
I tried using the online calculator you posted, but it didn’t seem to make sense to me.
I’m taking 40mg eod subq (140mg a week), 4mg tadalifil daily and 90mg armour thyroid for hypo thyroid and nothing else. Been on this protocol for more thand 7 months, so it’s stable.
I’m curious, during my last blood work, I had a TT of 1192, FT of 231 and E2 ultra sensitive of 41.
Trying to take my numbers and plug into that calculator, but results are unclear to me.
What would an ideal E2 number be based on that ratio for my TT of 1192?
What were your bloods when your libido was sky high?
If you have them, you should use them as a reference point to balance your T/E2
Looks like your T:E ration Is too high. 0.27. Ideal 0.13-0.15. Even if you divide the 2 numbers comes out about the sane. 29 times.
Based on proper ratio, your E should be in the
75-85.9. Crazy high but your test is crazy high too.
If you don’t take any AI and you’re healthy your body will maintain the proper ratio on its own.
Also your hematocrit seems way too low for that test level. Why isn’t the super high test making your blood a little thicker?
Thanks for the response, I appreciate it.
Very limited bloods from my urologist 3 weeks after those posted had me at TT 1080 and hematocrit at 47. He didn’t test for anything else really… So I guess HTC was a bit higher then… But he said 47 was great.
I have no idea why my numbers are this way. I think I’m relatively healthy…5’11", 171lbs about 19% bf (could be lower for sure). Eat a relatively clean diet with a few beers/cheat snacks on the weekends.
In almost 2 years in TRT, I’ve never taken an AI. I’ve dabbled with DIM and those things in the beginning after reading bro science things, but haven’t touched those things in a year+.
About a year ago I was on 120mg a week and having ED issues. Had a TT level around 650 and an E2 number in the low 20s ( can’t find exact numbers). I decided on my own to increase my dose and it’s worked… But for some reason, the libido has sorta disappeared. Could my body just be used to these levels now and I need more?
I’ve always done sub q to avoid too high of an E2 level. Wonder if I need to go IM now to compare feeling and elevate E2? Drop the dose or do a combo of both - drop dose and go IM. Who knows.
My libido was pretty good around those bloods actually.
It was crazy how good it was. I half thought I had some bottles of test that were over dosed because my TT from March if this year on 40mg EOD subq was 604. 3 months later in the same dose TT was 1192! No changes at all.
I’ve moved onto different bottles now and I’m back to lower libido. It’s all pharmacy test, not UGL, so I doubt there was variance in strength.
It’s a mystery to me… But I’m considering switching things up a tad too see if I can get a jump start.
as soon as you switched do a different ester or brand of test, your libido lower immediately?
Do you have any high/low estrogen symptoms that could provide some assistance?
Brand and ester has always been the same, Perrigo test cyp 200mg/ml…it was more of a crazy thought to think the test was different from bottle to bottle as to why my TT was so high… But I doubt that was the case.
Problems I’m having now that i wasn’t a couple of months ago - much lower libido, like much lower… And going limp mid sex/felatio. Just the other night… Making out with wife, playing with each other both very excited…she went down on me and it was great… About 15 minutes into our fun - dick goes limp without warning. From fully erect and stiff to soft. Horrifying.
I did have about 4 IPAs throughout the night… I’ve had beers and been dinner before, So I don’t know.
It seems either my test is too high or my E2 is too low or a combo of both? Something else all together… Who knows.
Immediately when you said going limp during sex, I thought low estrogen symptoms. I don’t know that from personal experience, but certainly from what I’ve read. Any fatigue? Depressive symptoms? bloating?
How long ago did the problems start? And how long were you at your peak of sexual vitality?
And you said no AI, have you been taking any alternatives along the way?
Libido is in the mind too and it’s controlled by dopamine. I know this first hand. Most of us have similar issues which are different then actual ED. The brain signal does not reach your dick. That’s why even viagra or cialis will do nothing in this case. You must fix the desire part. That’s fixed with proper dopamine production and proper hormone balance. Most non trt people who have great sex lives probably have good ratios even if their test levels are 300. Test 300 and estrogen 20 you can be a porn star. Test 300 and estrogen 11 or 45 you’re not even thinking about sex.
How does one increase dopamine production? Is there a blood test for dopamine?
I’ve been supplementing with a B complex and 300mg B6 daily to knock previously top of range prolactin down. Seems in my last bloods in June, that has worked to an extent .
In March, my urologist prescribed cabergoline as well, but I didn’t take it until last night. I wanted to see if that could help. One .25mg dose maybe gave me a little uptick, but nothing crazy… But today, I’m lacking motivation and kind of foggy. Probably won’t take it again.
Guess I’ll have to do some more thinking about if I want to change things up, etc…
Thanks again for the replies, appreciate it.
It’s been on and off. Last year, towards the end of the year I had similar problems. It’s like I’m good for a few months, then not for a month or so, then we take a break because she thinks it’s her that’s the issue, then I get super horny again and we’re back at it. Kinda crazy.
DIM, calcium D glucarate but haven’t taken those in over a year. I do drink pure cranberry juice, not from concentrate for liver health…but aside from test, daily tadalifil, B vitimans and armour thyroid, I’m not taking anything else.
Fatigue because I’m 42, have 3 kids and a mentally demanding job, but nothing out of the ordinary I’d say… especially now that I’m on test. Day after my shot, I usually have tons of energy. No depressive symptoms or unusual bloating… I get a bit full/bloated if I eat too much or too much simple carbs, but no every day walking around bloat.
Heading on vacation next week. When I get back, I think I’m going to switch it up if things haven’t improved.
Thanks again for taking the time, I appreciate it.
I think we, especially myself, devalue the importance of T & E2 balance. Thats the base for our homeostasis. If that isnt right, then nothing outside of that will do the trick either.
I also tried caber; 3x in in 2 weeks. I felt the same, i got a little initial boost and then the next day i had nothing in the tank to proceed forward.
You most likely need some slight alterations in your protocol. Get bloods when you’re feeling your best and also when things are on the downturn. Comparing and contrasting could help clarify any problems going forward. Just my 2 cents.
Hope you get back to feeling great!
Thank you!
hey guys quick question.
When you’re going through libido issues on trt, do you guys feel completely limp? Suffer from a complete loss of libido?
Do you tinker with your dosage, do you feel ebbs and flows? or if its not the correct dosage, do you just not feel good or better period until you hit the spot?
i ask this because regardless if i used cycle dosages or normal trt, whether i drop aromasin or increase, etc I feel the exact same.
This is why my gut is telling me that my issues are more than testosterone.
However if you guys also feel the same as i do while tinkering and adjusting dosages, then i may be more at ease.
I just feel like while you’re adjusting protocols, your body should give you some or more indication that you’re closer to homeostasis or not.
I do acknowledge that patience has never been my best asset, especially when I’ve been dealing with limp dick issues for over 2 years. I tend to want to switch up after a week or 2 instead of riding it out. But i do feel like if i were to blast a full mL of test, i should automatically feel better/something.
Let me know your thoughts and experiences please, thank you!
Take this as non medical advice or endorsement, but try 16-24 mg of ephedrine hydrochloride with 200 mg caffeine if you’re healthy and ephedrine is legal in your country. Here in Canada it’s legal. It’s the only thing that can take me from minimum libido to hyperdrive insane uncontrollable libido.
Yes, I have felt pretty dead libido on TRT. I was totally limpdick numb when I was low. In fact, that’s what clued me in something was wrong. Had I not experienced that, I would have thought my bouts of low libido on TRT were as bad as it can get.
My point is… yes. I have gone through phases on TRT of pretty high libido and very low libido. It is definitely an ebb and flow and obviously related to other factors like stress. I switched to twice a week 9 weeks ago and I’m still waiting for my libido to find a level. It’s been strong at times, but much of the time fairly gone.
I do have a running thread about my switch to twice a week. The bottom line on that is that every darn thing has measurably improved on twice a week except libido which I am hoping will trail behind. It is a patience game for sure.
Tinkering with your dose and generally futzing around with it is not a good idea, but you know this. My experience is that when you increase the T dose, you get a small window where libido comes back strong - and then it quickly drops off again. Have you had that?
I agree with this. But not sure what it could be. In my case estrogen is in perfect ratio with test, neither high nor low.(no AI) Can’t be low dht. But I never tested dht. Could super high dht kill libido? I know dht boosts libido, but up to what point? My dhea was kinda low and started taking compounded dhea 25 mg a day. Don’t feel it doing anything one way or another. So yeah libido is a mystery to me too. Yesterday my libido was off the charts waking up, for apparently no reason.
Stimulants like ephedrine and caffeine also always boost libido for me. Anywhere from medium to high libido.
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