Donald Duck Meets Glenn Beck

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Glenn Beck feeds off of leftist tears. Yeah.[/quote]

To be fair, he is constantly dehydrated.

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LOL

How did Van Jones get hired in the first place? Whose pants did he pull down to get that job?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
How did Van Jones get hired in the first place? Whose pants did he pull down to get that job?[/quote]

Birds of a feather my friend, birds of a feather.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Was it President Bush who forced health care through when 67% of America thought it was a bad idea?
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People didn’t like the legistlation that was passed because it did practically nothing to address the increasing cost of health care. Public support for reforming the health care system has been there for decades. Americans actually “overwhelmingly supported” government-run insurance to compete with private insurance plans, but that’s not what they got.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Was it Bush pushing for higher taxes?..

I am surrounded by small business people who fear hiring, or expanding their business because of Obama’s threats of raising taxes.
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Bush lowered taxes and look where it got us; wealth became even more concentrated at the top and we have near record levels of both income inequality and poverty. Fear that a relatively small increase in personal income tax will wreck the economy is idealogical. Historically periods when this country has been most successful economically we have had much higher personal income taxe rates than we have currently.

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

The period of 25 or so years following WWII is called the “golden age of capitalism” because of how great it was economically for the entire world, espeically the United States. This was when the top personal income tax rates were in the 70%-90% range.

On top of all that, I fail to see how Obama has greatly differed from Bush. He is proposing that we extend part of a tax cut that Bush passed. He hasn’t proposed anything new, he’s actually going along with what Bush did for the most part.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Was it Bush who insults Israel regularly and plays up to muslim nations?
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Seriously? Israel gets more aid from the United States than any other country on the planet; again, under both Bush and Obama. I wish someone would insult me with F-35’s and missile defense systems.

And what do you mean by plays up to muslim nations?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Chomskyian wrote:
the Republicans and Democrats are basically two wings of one party, the corporate party.
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One hear’s this blather from those who think it’s cool to believe such nonsense. It cannot be backed up and when pushed the person saying it usually clams up and walks away. In all reality the democrats are as far away from the republicans in their beliefs as two parties can get. They agree on virtually nothing.
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They disagree on cosmetic issues, and most of the time they disagree just to take a stance that is opposite of whatever party happens to be in power. Where’s the party that would end our wars in the Middle East? Where’s the part that would stop corporate welfare? Where’s the party that would reform campaign financing?

The truly siginficant issues facing the country are not left vs. right. For real, watch this documentary if you want to understand the point I’m trying to make. It has plenty of Obama bashing in it.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It had nothing to do with your hero taking a moderate position.
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Obama is a doucher, not my hero. Sen. Bernie Sanders, a real socialist, is my hero.

[quote]orion wrote:

Look at the 10 points of the communist manifesto and tell me which of them Obama does not share.
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  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

This doesn’t sound like our current situation at all. Aside from maybe number 10, I fail to see the connection.

[quote]Chomskyian wrote:
Obama is certainly fucking up, but to claim that it’s because there’s Maoists or Marxists taking over the White House is just ridiculous. Glenn Beck is off his rocker. The tea party’s anger toward the government is certainly both justified and understandable, but people like Beck are directing that anger in a way that works against actual progress. Absurd things don’t become true just because they get yelled very loudly over and over.

It’s a sad day when you can get better political coverage from Comedy Central than you can get from MSNBC, CNN, or Fox. Glenn Beck and Stephen Colbert present the news in almost the identical fashion, which is saying much about Beck considering that Colbert’s show is comedy. To quote Colbert, “It’s like looking in to a mirror, after you’ve done a ton of coke off of it.”

This falls more under the category of ridicule, but still serves as a good example of the ridiculousness of Glenn Beck:

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Thank you for proving my last point entirely. When I wrote this:

“The only thing that anyone on the left has been able to do with Beck is make fun and ridicule him. What they don’t realize is the only people who are laughing at their ridicule is like minded individuals”

I just knew that would prompt some asshole to bring a clip of John Stewart to this discussion. Because Stewart is who I had in mind when I wrote that. I have news for you, John Stewart isn’t funny. Stewart is just a mean, hateful, little bitch who is only funny if you share his hatred of the people he is making fun of.

The best laugh I ever got out of Stewart, (and it wasn’t much) was when Dick Cheney had his infamous hunting accident, and Stewart was making fun of Cheney because he was on a canned hunt. What was funny was that Stewart was going off on one of his mean rants about the canned hunt, oblivious to the irony of him making fun of a canned hunt. Stewart’s show is the equivalent of a canned hunt. His audience was full of people who hated Bush and Cheney so when he makes fun of them in his mean way of course they are going to laugh.

In a surreal way it was life imitating art. Because in that moment Stewart was actually being just as much of a tool as Colbert pretends to be. Whenever I see those two I am always reminded of the movie Good Morning Vietnam. Because Like Robin Williams the comedy of Colbert is clever. Stewart on the other hand always reminds me of Lt Hauk in the scene that begins at 2:53-4:40 in this video.

- YouTube

But don’t let me make you feel bad Chomskyian because you are not alone. What is even more pathetic than you bringing mean stupid slapstick of Jon Stewart to this discussion because that is all you have, is the fact that, that is the best that MSNBC can do! MSNBC are Obama’s cheerleader and even they can’t mount an effective counter offensive against Beck.

It is not conspiracy theory when Beck plays video clips of Obama’s people praising Mao, praising Castro, praising Chavez after Obama himself has stated that he intends to fundamentally change America and that we should judge him by the people who he surrounds himself with.

[quote]Sifu wrote:

It is not conspiracy theory when Beck plays video clips of Obama’s people praising Mao, praising Castro, praising Chavez

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[quote]Chomskyian wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

It is not conspiracy theory when Beck plays video clips of Obama’s people praising Mao, praising Castro, praising Chavez

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.[/quote]

Listening to the ideology that is coming from Obama’s people is not conducive to sleep homeboy. His administration is made up of stereotypical leftist college campus radicals. The kind of people who have no ability to make it in the real world, but because they have an education they are able to get jobs teaching in college.

The best thing that can be said about the Obama administration is that now that we have finally gone down this road people are getting to see first hand just how wrong these people are. That when it is all said and done he is going to leave the leftist ideology that permeates our college campuses thoroughly discredited.

On the other hand the downside of the Obama presidency has the potential to be severe and we could be regretting his mistakes for a long time.

[quote]Chomskyian wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Was it President Bush who forced health care through when 67% of America thought it was a bad idea?
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People didn’t like the legistlation that was passed because it did practically nothing to address the increasing cost of health care. Public support for reforming the health care system has been there for decades. Americans actually “overwhelmingly supported” government-run insurance to compete with private insurance plans, but that’s not what they got.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Was it Bush pushing for higher taxes?..

I am surrounded by small business people who fear hiring, or expanding their business because of Obama’s threats of raising taxes.
[/quote]

Bush lowered taxes and look where it got us; wealth became even more concentrated at the top and we have near record levels of both income inequality and poverty. Fear that a relatively small increase in personal income tax will wreck the economy is idealogical. Historically periods when this country has been most successful economically we have had much higher personal income taxe rates than we have currently.

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

The period of 25 or so years following WWII is called the “golden age of capitalism” because of how great it was economically for the entire world, espeically the United States. This was when the top personal income tax rates were in the 70%-90% range.

On top of all that, I fail to see how Obama has greatly differed from Bush. He is proposing that we extend part of a tax cut that Bush passed. He hasn’t proposed anything new, he’s actually going along with what Bush did for the most part.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Was it Bush who insults Israel regularly and plays up to muslim nations?
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Seriously? Israel gets more aid from the United States than any other country on the planet; again, under both Bush and Obama. I wish someone would insult me with F-35’s and missile defense systems.

And what do you mean by plays up to muslim nations?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Chomskyian wrote:
the Republicans and Democrats are basically two wings of one party, the corporate party.
[/quote]
One hear’s this blather from those who think it’s cool to believe such nonsense. It cannot be backed up and when pushed the person saying it usually clams up and walks away. In all reality the democrats are as far away from the republicans in their beliefs as two parties can get. They agree on virtually nothing.
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They disagree on cosmetic issues, and most of the time they disagree just to take a stance that is opposite of whatever party happens to be in power. Where’s the party that would end our wars in the Middle East? Where’s the part that would stop corporate welfare? Where’s the party that would reform campaign financing?

The truly siginficant issues facing the country are not left vs. right. For real, watch this documentary if you want to understand the point I’m trying to make. It has plenty of Obama bashing in it.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It had nothing to do with your hero taking a moderate position.
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Obama is a doucher, not my hero. Sen. Bernie Sanders, a real socialist, is my hero.[/quote]

You are a joke. You claim that wealth became more concentrated at the top when Bush was President, but that’s not the case. There has never been a wider disparity between rich and poor than under your hero Obama.

And people hated health care because they inherently knew that it would pick the pockets of people who actually worked for their money and give it to those who did not earn it and do not deserve it.

You sound like one of those young chumps that doesn’t know his ass from first base. Tell me how much did you make last year, not counting the part time job at McDonalds?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

You are a joke. You claim that wealth became more concentrated at the top when Bush was President, but that’s not the case. There has never been a wider disparity between rich and poor than under your hero Obama.

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Uh, how long has he been in office? And are you saying that Obama should therefore let the tax cuts expire for the top 2%?

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

You are a joke. You claim that wealth became more concentrated at the top when Bush was President, but that’s not the case. There has never been a wider disparity between rich and poor than under your hero Obama.

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Uh, how long has he been in office? And are you saying that Obama should therefore let the tax cuts expire for the top 2%? [/quote]

I have no idea how you reached such an erroneous conclusion.

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Uh, how long has he been in office? And are you saying that Obama should therefore let the tax cuts expire for the top 2%? [/quote]

No, he should be raising taxes. Americans don’t want their SS and medicare/aid touched. In the name of good stewardship we should fully pay our own bills. Let the true cost be felt today, instead of passing it on with interest, to a future generation.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Yeah, that’s funny how they use a cartoon character to take Beck’s words out of context so that people think he’s nuts. Yeah, funny. It seems between the Family Guy and some other cartoons the liberals are really going after the idiot demographic, and they’re capturing it.[/quote]

Heya Zebbbb

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/wfb812/2009/04/more-proof-that-glenn-beck-is.php

http://foxnewsboycott.com/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-spreads-lies-and-fear-about-cars-gov-site/

He also lied when he said Obama was the only President to swear in without the bible and lied about holding washington’s inaugural address.

I’ll also save you the trouble of having to copy and paste some ad hominems from one of your other posts. I have a college degree, I’m young, I’m not a republican, I’m not religious…I’m sure I’m missing some though so you’ve probably still got some blanks you can fire at me.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

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Eh. Have you had a look at the book? The entire tone is that population growth = bad and that something must be done to stop it. They then talk about methods you could use to curb population growth, including forced abortion. However, the authors did state this was a last ditch measure and we should try everything else first.

Of course the politifact site tries to counter Glenns statement by saying that the authors don’t explicitly support such extreme measures. Now this is true…however have you looked at the meaning of the word proposed?

proposed: Put forward (an idea or plan) for consideration or discussion by others

The authors of the book most certainly DID propose forced abortion as an extreme measure. So Beck is correct. Glenn did use some hyperbole in insinuating that Holdren would round up mothers now and abort their children forcibly but…if the best you have is he used some hyperbole…well it isn’t much.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

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Indeed. Glenn was wrong. Missing Canada was a silly fuckup. His general point still stands though. Taking a knock at unimportant specifics is a bit silly. Good for an internet site to do…but at the same time it doesn’t destroy his message or his character. The vast majority of developed nations don’t have birthright citizenship. In fact it is only Canada and the US.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
http://foxnewsboycott.com/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-spreads-lies-and-fear-about-cars-gov-site/
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Do you bother to read your own links? This one is just plain nonsense. It is clear that Glenn is talking about car dealers and what he said is true. For the dealer section of the cars.gov site it was indeed the case they had that disclaimer. They then removed it.

Now it was not explained too well by Beck, but since he explicitly mentions the car dealer I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt. After all it was a live show no? Obviously a bloke from foxnewsboycott isn’t going to give him the benefit of the doubt though.

[quote]siouxperman wrote:
I’ll also save you the trouble of having to copy and paste some ad hominems from one of your other posts. I have a college degree, I’m young, I’m not a republican, I’m not religious…I’m sure I’m missing some though so you’ve probably still got some blanks you can fire at me. [/quote]

Stop convincing ZEB that young people are all brainless. Your links sucked and did nothing to dispute the core of Becks message. I doubt you even read your own links.

Beck might use hyperbole but he is no way near as misleading as folk like Colbert and Stewart. Those fuckers twist everything, which is ok because they present it as comedy. What isn’t ok is people treating it as anything but dumb comedy.

And youngster, you aren’t the only one with a college degree. I’ve got one + 20 years of real world experience to boot.

Hey LEFFFFTTTTTYYY…

[quote]siouxperman wrote:

Heya Zebbbb

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/wfb812/2009/04/more-proof-that-glenn-beck-is.php

http://foxnewsboycott.com/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-spreads-lies-and-fear-about-cars-gov-site/[/quote]

Let’s take this one by one:

This first one there is not even one accurate Glenn Beck quote. In fact they don’t quote him they paraphrase him inaccurately. No points here junior. And by the way be careful next time you google “Glenn Beck lies” or something similar. Because currently there are a host of “Get Beck” sites which quote him out of context, or even worse make stuff up that he said, just to shoot it down. It appears that you stumbled on to one here.

Second one: John Holdren did in fact state all kids of radical and dangerous notions including forced abortions and sterilization in a book that he wrote in 1977. Here are excerpts from that book:

“â?¢ Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
â?¢ The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;
â?¢ Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
â?¢ People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” – in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
â?¢ A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives – using an armed international police force.”

Pretty scary stuff huh? Just one of Obama’s henchman. There are others with even a more radical view that Beck has exposed.

Thrid: Just because other countries allow “anchor babies” does not mean that they allow the parents of those babies to stay, and that is what Beck was talking about. Like this is significant anyway, but you’re still wrong.

Fourth: The fact is the government DID have such a warning on that particular site. Being inquisitive I went on that site and checked it out when I first heard it from Beck. I wasn’t the least bit afraid that the government would take over the library’s computer. Anyway here is the exact disclosure:

“This application provides access to the DOT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted. monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CAFRS, DOT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.”

One more point; once the government was aware that “we” were aware the notice came down quickly!

You are now 0-4 congratulations! If this were baseball you’d be having a very bad day huh?

You just fell into the demographic that helped elect Obama (kids are easier to fool). Don’t worry about it, as you get older and get some life experience you’ll soon see that a large government is not the answer and in fact is the problem.

This has been fun - let’s do this again sometime.

Zeb

Beck responded to the video by making accusations that the cartoon remix may have been “federally funded”. LOL

This guy doesn’t get much more bat shit crazy, does he?

It’s humorous though watching who I once thought were reasonable, level-headed posters, comment on the “genius” of Glenn Beck.

He’s a self-admitted form of entertainment, not to be taken seriously, yet the right-wing fringe latches on to him like a newborn cub to their mother’s teat.

If nothing else it’s been entertaining watching all of you who mocked, ridiculed, and attacked all the left-wing fringe during Bush’s terms as tin-foil lunatics. Only to switch roles and adopt your own tin-foil accessories as soon as Obama took office.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Beck responded to the video by making accusations that the cartoon remix may have been “federally funded”. LOL[/quote]

Before you LOL yourself to death, show me the clip where he said this. As I stated in my previous post webs ites have actually popped up discrediting Beck with misinformation. They make something up that Beck said something then they refute it. That won’t work here. Come up with the video or it didn’t happen.

Those who try to discredit him are the ones who are crazy. When they can’t come up with the facts they make things up as they go along. Are you doing that now, or have you been fooled?

Now all you have to do is actually find something of significance that he was wrong about. You can begin with his description of the many White House advisors who have questionable backgrounds. Instead of focusing on that, you try to discredit the guy. You’re a good little liberal now come up with the proof or shut up.

You just spent one more paragraph denouncing him and all who agree with him. Yet, you have still not dispproven anything of significance that he has said. Do you feel good about that? I know you hate him. But you hate him because he’s exposed your hero for what he is.

Bla bla bla, still no proof. You are the one who is acting like a loon. Now get busy and and post proof that Beck has misstated something significant, or shut up. Rambling on about right wingers won’t help you here. All you have to do is show solid proof and you’re home free. Or, you can shut up. Just don’t post back with more of your nonsense. You attack Beck for not having the facts yet you have none of your own. Ironic isn’t it?

Damn! I really expected you to put up the white flag on this one Zebulon…foiled again!

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Uh, how long has he been in office? And are you saying that Obama should therefore let the tax cuts expire for the top 2%? [/quote]

No, he should be raising taxes. Americans don’t want their SS and medicare/aid touched. In the name of good stewardship we should fully pay our own bills. Let the true cost be felt today, instead of passing it on with interest, to a future generation. [/quote]

But if we did that the people would start phasing out the programs immediately, then the government wouldn’t get all the money. Remember LBJ made social security part of the general funds.

You really took the time to dissect and argue every line of my comment? lol. Ok.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Before you LOL yourself to death, show me the clip where he said this. As I stated in my previous post webs ites have actually popped up discrediting Beck with misinformation. They make something up that Beck said something then they refute it. That won’t work here. Come up with the video or it didn’t happen.[/quote]

I don’t quote someone unless I know for sure they said it.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Now all you have to do is actually find something of significance that he was wrong about. You can begin with his description of the many White House advisors who have questionable backgrounds. Instead of focusing on that, you try to discredit the guy. You’re a good little liberal now come up with the proof or shut up.[/quote]
I’m not saying there aren’t grains of truth in his drivel, but then he takes those truths and spins, contorts, and deforms what was once a fact fact into a ficitonal branching of theories and insanity.

Why do I have to discredit? Why don’t you have to verify everything on his chalk board?.. In fact, do you verify the garbage he vomits every night?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You just spent one more paragraph denouncing him and all who agree with him. Yet, you have still not dispproven anything of significance that he has said. Do you feel good about that? I know you hate him. But you hate him because he’s exposed your hero for what he is.[/quote]
Are you literate? How did I denounced him? He denounces himself. Again, I’m not going to put words in his mouth. Beck admits he’s just a form of entertainment, he doesn’t call himself a journalist or news anchor now does he? What don’t you understand about this?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Bla bla bla, still no proof. You are the one who is acting like a loon. Now get busy and and post proof that Beck has misstated something significant, or shut up. Rambling on about right wingers won’t help you here. All you have to do is show solid proof and you’re home free. Or, you can shut up. Just don’t post back with more of your nonsense. You attack Beck for not having the facts yet you have none of your own. Ironic isn’t it? [/quote]

You want to me dig through the endless excrement he’s spewing and start invalidating every concocted conspiracy theory he creates?

No one beyond his flock of loyal lemmings does anyone take Glenn Beck seriously. Besides you and your ilk are ready to start the Church of Beck, if I had anything that refuted what he said you would cast it aside as mainstream liberal biased misinformation, or you’d do like your God and just spin the fuck out of it.