Seems that lot of members here, myself included, are wondering if a SERM will be able to maintain LH/FSH pulsation while on a TRT dose.
My current TRT protocol is:
T 84mg/w
Adex .25mg EoD
Hcg 125iu EoD
This last Monday 1/18 I have switched to:
T 84mg/w
Adex .25mg EoD
Clomid 50mg EoD <---- swapped for Hcg
Lab results incoming in about 3-4 weeks. Time needed to give Clomid a chance to build up the half-lives and do its thing.
Six days in so far. No estrogenic sides from Clomid, thank god. Testis not changing size for better or worse. A very very slight tesitcles ache which means the LH hasn’t kicked in yet. It’s too early now to draw conclusions AND I have been shutdown for the last 18 months, so we have to take that into consideration. It may take time for my hypothalamus-pituitary to spool up.
To provide some context regarding before and after blood work, here are my current TRT labs as of Monday 1/18/16:
The cases are from a couple of guys who were on TRT with low sperm counts. Doctors put them on high dose SERM, probably clomid, and E2 went nuts, indicating high LH.
As a though experiment, take a young virile guy who want more T and takes a SERM and his T increases. As the guy already had T levels which would be a TRT target, we see the SERM working with good T levels.
The next progression is whether a SERM will work with the very high T, and in many cases high E2 from gear. The questing then is whether the SERM can block the effects of high T and maybe high E2 on a cycle. This partly depends on how one is managing E2 on cycle, use of AI etc. So there are some unknowns and questions about a possible need for increased SERM dosing with higher gear amounts. So while there may be some unanswered questions about SEAR+gear, the issues concerning use of a SERM during PCT are very clear cut.
Unfortunately, searching clomid+gear or clomid+cycle picks up mostly female fertility issues. Adding “male” to the search gets male fertility results.
In this thread, OP lgs is on TRT with normal TRT T levels and the first case applies.
Bloods will confirm it, at least for the TRT doses.
I’d like to be able to swap back and forth between T+HCG and T+SERM for future fertility concerns. Also just to keep the top end of HPTA alive throughout the years in case I ever have to come off. I doubt that I’ll have to but anything can happen.
Especially for you juice heads with multiple compounds and very high dosages, no go. You’ll have to wait for esters to clear before SERMs start working.
Thanks Igs. While n=1 is certainly not conclusive, I strongly suggest that at this time we stop this recommendation of a SERM on cycle even if it means to err on the side of caution since hcg is available.
Along with those whose blast and cruise being able to cruise with SERM short term, for fertility reasons. But it seems you may have to come off completely.
Does that also means that it is better to continue the use of hCG during the washout period after the cycle than to start the SERM as soon as possible?