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Ditch the Burqua, Bitch

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
There are one MILLION Muslims in Holland? Damn, all the stuff about a Muslim takeover of Europe is true.

We are seeing great and ancient cultures being squashed before our eyes…[/quote]

Agreed.

I see no problem with European nations passing laws to restrict immigration and encourage reproduction in order to protect their unique European cultures.

ElbowStrike

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Yes the Burqua is an instrument of seperation. Seperation is their stated purpose in the quran. Why? Because divisiveness, is the very essence of Islam. Islam is all about taking sides. This is why muslims are constantly in conflict with every other religion in the world and amongst themselves. Because they are constantly looking to divide people up into groups. Division breeds conflict. [/quote]

Ok, I’ll bite. Where does it say in the Quran that women should wear a “burqua”? Similarly, where does it state that its purpose is “seperation” (sic)?

Ha-ha! Your 2 cts anthropology is absolutely hilarious.

To make sure everybody gets the most out of the experience, I say replace “dog” with “bitch”.

Lixy, priests, nuns, imams, rabbis etc… have a role to play in a religion that civilins don’t. So I could see giving them a pass even though they are putting their religion out in front of people.

No, I don’t feel threatened by pieces of tissue.

When I lived in a black neighborhood in Detroit I got along quite well with my neighbors and I rather enjoyed the experience. To tell the truth I probably have a worse case of jungle fever than Kliplemet. The Brothers found my taste in Sista’s quite amusing and were quite helpful in getting me “a taste”.

On the other hand when I lived in a neighborhood where there were a large number of muslims it was depressing. When I was at the Halal I learned not to look at the Halal hotties unless I wanted to piss people off. After one of my friends (who is muslim) was narrowly missed by a bullet for talking to one I had the point driven home in a most decisive manner.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
No, I don’t feel threatened by pieces of tissue. [/quote]

Good.

[quote]When I lived in a black neighborhood in Detroit I got along quite well with my neighbors and I rather enjoyed the experience. To tell the truth I probably have a worse case of jungle fever than Kliplemet. The Brothers found my taste in Sista’s quite amusing and were quite helpful in getting me “a taste”.

On the other hand when I lived in a neighborhood where there were a large number of muslims it was depressing. When I was at the Halal I learned not to look at the Halal hotties unless I wanted to piss people off. After one of my friends (who is muslim) was narrowly missed by a bullet for talking to one I had the point driven home in a most decisive manner. [/quote]

Mmmkay…

Now, if your friend who was “narrowly missed by a bullet” is Muslim, how then can you talk about an “instrument of seperation” and “Muslims only, everyone else fuck off!”? Seriously man, you don’t seem to have done much critical thinking on this point at all.

Talking to chicks is a risky business. It is no surprise that crimes of passion are responsible for lots and lots of deaths even in modern times. It is postulated that the queasy feeling a guy gets when approaching a hottie is just part of a hardwired survival mechanism. In ancient times, speaking to the Alpha’s woman gets you cast away from the tribe, or simply killed. Things have evolved, but much of the underlying tension is still there. There are plenty of cultures where the males are expected to defend the women from sexual predators (Corsica, Southern Italy, India, Islamic world, etc.). To qualify for the title of “predator”, you merely need to have less than honorable intentions. Believe it or not, jerks are impregnating single women as we speak, and her entourage then shoulders the burden of raising the bastard child. So, while I do not condone it, the reason your friend came close to an airborne bullet is nowhere near religious. Call it cultural if you must.

There will always be risk associated with picking up women. To minimize it, stick to bars an other places where you know women expect to be hit on. Anywhere else might lead to trouble. There’s this friend of mine (6 feet 2 muscular blond Swede) who got approached by some dude in a museum. She slapped him hard, called security and got his ass thrown out of there. My reaction when she told me the story? More power to you sister!

But enough about this. What does anything in your post have to do with scarves being an “instrument of seperation”? Did the girl your friend talked to have a built-in firing device?

You have a point it does not say Burqua. My understanding is that mohammad made the rule that his male friends would have to have a screen between themselves and his wives to keep the two sexes seperated. From this arose the whole Burqua thing.

Seperating the sexes was the point I was trying to make. The goal of Islam is to use sexual differences to split all of humanity in half, then subdivide from there. There is a lot of seperating people in Islam. Have you ever noticed that Lixy?

If you listen to muslims talk about it the common refrain is “it’s for our protection”. Muslims are always talking about needing protection. My impression is that Muslims are taught to look for and expect the worst in humanity.

I was under the impression that covering womens faces was a Persian, not a Muslim, practice.

Am I wrong?

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Redbull if Dubai is so bloody wonderful why is Grooverider going to spend the next four years in jail for having a joint of weed and a wank magazine?[/quote]

I dunno, maybe because he was a bit of a twat for bringing it in?

No really - nobody here (or abroad) wants to see him go to jail over this. And the likelihood is that he won’t.

But to be fair, it’s that typical, affable, largely harmless but dumb-as-fuck celeb-in-a-vacuum syndrome…“Raaa man yeah I’m going to Dubai, wicked! What? Drugs? Porn? They might be illegal there???..”

Yes, Mr. Grooverider, they might be.

The same kind of thing could have happened in another country - like Thailand perhaps. It wouldn’t automatically make Thailand NOT a great place to live, would it?

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Yes the Burqua is an instrument of seperation. Seperation is their stated purpose in the quran. Why? Because divisiveness, is the very essence of Islam. Islam is all about taking sides. This is why muslims are constantly in conflict with every other religion in the world and amongst themselves.[/quote]

Hi sifu. You obviously have or have had a muslim friend(s?) so my understanding is that you don’t ‘have a problem’ with muslims per se. But it sounds like you do have a problem with Islam.

I don’t mean that in an accusatory way mate, just only what I said. You seem to see the essentials of Islam - its inspirations, its principles etc as very negative.

All religions - at one time or another - have resulted in division and seperation. All religions have been in conflict with others, and themselves.

That last paragraph is the standard refrain which you hear all the time. But the only reason I write it is because after reading your post, you would never believe it was true!

red

[quote]Sifu wrote:
My impression is that Muslims are taught to look for and expect the worst in humanity.[/quote]

I never see a Muslim with laugh-lines.

Always frown lines and a somber face.

Always.

Why is that?

ElbowStrike

[quote]Sifu wrote:
You have a point it does not say Burqua. My understanding is that mohammad made the rule that his male friends would have to have a screen between themselves and his wives to keep the two sexes seperated. From this arose the whole Burqua thing. [/quote]

Indeed. The “whole Burqua thing” is an aberration. Muslims were told to dress modestly, not look like freakin’ ninjas!

[quote]Seperating the sexes was the point I was trying to make. The goal of Islam is to use sexual differences to split all of humanity in half, then subdivide from there. There is a lot of seperating people in Islam. Have you ever noticed that Lixy?

If you listen to muslims talk about it the common refrain is “it’s for our protection”. Muslims are always talking about needing protection. My impression is that Muslims are taught to look for and expect the worst in humanity. [/quote]

So, now you’ve gone from “Muslims only, everyone else fuck off!”, to a way “seperating the sexes” (sic, yet again!).

So, tell me, do you also view unisex boarding schools as a plot to “split all of humanity in half, then subdivide from there”? Public restrooms? etc.?

My impression is that you were taught to “look for and expect the worst in” Islam. Skepticism is healthy, but your attitude borders on obsession. You start with the premise that Islam is horrible, the devil’s work or whatever else you were told, then stick to that talking point regardless of the weakness of the arguments. You confuse correlation with causality, and refuse to put fresh colonialism into the equation to judge the situation in majority-Muslim countries. You don’t even seem to have done much thinking nor research about the religion either. Forgive the term, but thus far, you pass for a bigot in this thread.

I’m curious; is your attitude towards Islam pre or post-9/11?

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
I was under the impression that covering womens faces was a Persian, not a Muslim, practice.

Am I wrong?[/quote]

Burqua, sure as hell ain’t Arabic.

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
There are one MILLION Muslims in Holland? Damn, all the stuff about a Muslim takeover of Europe is true.

We are seeing great and ancient cultures being squashed before our eyes…

Agreed.

I see no problem with European nations passing laws to restrict immigration and encourage reproduction in order to protect their unique European cultures.[/quote]

Hmm…I missed this gem of a comment.

I do not think anyone sees a problem with “European nations passing laws to restrict immigration and encourage reproduction in order to protect their unique European cultures”.

It is worth noting though, that a guy such as Sarkozy who evidently pandered to the xenophobes at Front National, is now seriously considering a massive immigration scheme (announced figure: 500,000) to help the inanimate French economy. France is waaayyy past what you are talking about in my opinion. That’s a country where the second favorite meal is…couscous!

I also don’t see how, say Sweden, can do more to “encourage reproduction”. Well, short of offering the happy couple a house with pool. They just need immigration. Else, in a couple of decades, everybody will be grey. It’s a business really.

I would also invite Schwarzy to share with us his opinion on the latest about the CDU’s catastrophic results of late and how of that is due to the party’s aggressive attitude towards immigrants.

How’s it in Canada anyway? There’s at least a dozen people in my undergrad class who are now in Canada. Why is it that you don’t follow what you preach? Or is it that you are one of those who think in provinces and territories terms?

Alberta, Alberta. Where’ve you been so long?

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Sifu wrote:
My impression is that Muslims are taught to look for and expect the worst in humanity.

I never see a Muslim with laugh-lines.

Always frown lines and a somber face.

Always.

Why is that?

ElbowStrike[/quote]

Mate…you really do need to come visit Dubai!

[quote]pat36 wrote:

Then how come burquas are so common among muslims in western countries? That perception does not seem to support your assertion.
[/quote]

That’s because articles like these, with blatant lies. I quote directly from the article: “The Muslim community says only about 50 women wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything but the eyes. They said a general ban would heighten alienation among the country’s about 1 million Muslims.”

“the country” is Holland.
About 1 million Muslims, that would be fairly accurate.
They said. That must be the “muslim community” in Holland.
The same Muslim community that claims 50% of the women wear burqas or niqabs.

Again, this is simply not true. I’ve live in Belgium and there’s a strong local muslim community. I’ve never seen a women wearing a burqa or veil.

Yet, when you call out this lie, you get a liar like Zap, covering his friend Foo Yun Chee, the original liars back, and question your reading comprehension.

Tell me Zap, who’s reading comprehension failed. And where did it fail?

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Sifu wrote:
My impression is that Muslims are taught to look for and expect the worst in humanity.

I never see a Muslim with laugh-lines.

Always frown lines and a somber face.

Always.

Why is that?

ElbowStrike[/quote]

How do you know a Muslim from a practitioner of another faith on the street?

If you label everyone with “frown lines and a somber face” as a Muslim, then the answer to you question is starring you right in the face.

Believe it or not, non-Muslims (whatever that means) don’t have a monopoly on humor nor laughter.

Google “Allah made me funny”

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
pat36 wrote:

Then how come burquas are so common among muslims in western countries? That perception does not seem to support your assertion.

That’s because articles like these, with blatant lies. I quote directly from the article: “The Muslim community says only about 50 women wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything but the eyes. They said a general ban would heighten alienation among the country’s about 1 million Muslims.”

“the country” is Holland.
About 1 million Muslims, that would be fairly accurate.
They said. That must be the “muslim community” in Holland.
The same Muslim community that claims 50% of the women wear burqas or niqabs.

Again, this is simply not true. I’ve live in Belgium and there’s a strong local muslim community. I’ve never seen a women wearing a burqa or veil.

Yet, when you call out this lie, you get a liar like Zap, covering his friend Foo Yun Chee, the original liars back, and question your reading comprehension.

Tell me Zap, who’s reading comprehension failed. And where did it fail?
[/quote]

Yours failed. The article states 50 out of one million wear the damned thing. You claim that since you have never seen anyone in your local community that the author is a liar?

The Muslim community says only about 50 women wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything but the eyes. They said a general ban would heighten alienation among the country’s about 1 million Muslims.

50 people. Not 50%!!!

You are a flaming idiot.

[quote]pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Besides Saudi Arabia and the sattelite Emirates, Burqas are not at all a common sight in majority-Muslim countries. Covering the hair with a scarf is more common, although Wreckless’ one-third proportion doesn’t apply to majority-Muslim countries. If I was to pull out a figure out of thin air, I’d go with 1/10th.

In any case, I never saw a woman with a “burqua” in school or working in a public administration (at least a front desk) in Morocco. I imagine that it must be a huge communicative handicap, when you’re unable to read body language. Some countries, such as Turkey, banned the headscarf from schools altogether, let alone the “burqua”.

Sifu, what’s up with the word “apartheid”? Did you feel threatened by pieces of tissue? Seriously? Do you also feel prejudiced against is black neighborhood because of all the bling? Do you feel the same way when Italians wear their Fila sweats? Do you see the dress code of priests and nones as an “overt statement of predjudice and religious apartheid”? You do seem to make up a lot of stuff in your little head (maybe with the help of your favorite newspaper). Interpreting a headscarf as a sign saying “Muslims only, everyone else fuck off!” is just sick. You must be a sad little man.

Then how come burquas are so common among muslims in western countries? That perception does not seem to support your assertion.
[/quote]

I have never seen one in my life.

Except on tv when reporting on Afghanistan.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Tell me Zap, who’s reading comprehension failed. And where did it fail?

Yours failed. The article states 50 out of one million wear the damned thing. You claim that since you have never seen anyone in your local community that the author is a liar?

The Muslim community says only about 50 women wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything but the eyes. They said a general ban would heighten alienation among the country’s about 1 million Muslims.

50 people. Not 50%!!!

You are a flaming idiot. [/quote]

His reading comprehension problem prevents him from understanding what you just wrote. I see a cunundrum here. :smiley:

BTW: beaches in Belgium are awesome!!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Then how come burquas are so common among muslims in western countries? That perception does not seem to support your assertion.

I’ve been all across Europe (save for the more Eastern parts), and never ran across a single person wearing a “burqua”. If we’re to believe the OP’s article, 50 out of 1,000,000 people wear it in the Netherlands; that’s not exactly a figure which prompts the use of the term “common”, now is it?

I agree with Lixy. If they are fleeing from their homelands and trying to get away from their medieval religion, why would they wear a symbol of the oppression?

Maybe Muslims who have fled the ME will one day go back and conquer it, and try to establish some sort of civilisation there, instead of the rule by thugs and mullahs.

[/quote]

Or maybe they are sending their most radical bozos out in to the world to recruit and indoctrinate weak minded folk in to the fold of hatred and intolerance?