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Difficult Tren Vial


#1

Ok so I started a tren a and test prop cycle like half an hour ago,it is my first cycle...yayaya no tren first cycle ik ive heard it all,I have a major question tho,the tren was very difficult to pull out of the vial and into the syringe,I pushed a ml of air into the vial then treid to draw back a ml of tren and nothing came out i had to sit there and push the stopper up and down to finally start slowly milking the tren out....How do i fix this?


#2

Put the vial in a glass of hot water before drawing. Also, if you are drawing with a 25g or smaller needle, that makes things very difficult. I do all of my drawing and injections with a 23g, but some guys like to go with an even larger bore.


#3

Thanks alot man, I'll definetly try that,theres no risk in getting the tren to hot tho and somehow messing it up in the process?


#4

Nope.


#5

??? Tren to hot?? The homemade recipes all call for time in an oven at like 250 degrees


#6

Yup, i draw with a green (21), shoot lower body with a blue (23) and upper body with a orange (25).


#7

I draw and shoot with 23's now a days.

Just warm the oil, and have some patience.


#8

its worked pretty good it takes a while but i dont mind that,its a 25 gauge pin so it was pretty difficult to get it out when it wasnt warm but now it works alot better...so far im 3 pins in i started tren at 100mg eod and prop at 50mg eod and i decided the prop was way too low so im running 100mg of each every other day,no sides yet at all from either of them,ive been sleeping like a freakin baby,no sweating,no coughing,no acne from the test can't wait to see what a couple weeks brings me in terms of gains...thanks guys


#9

25g pin is the source of your difficulty.

I highly recommend ED injections of EOD for both of these compounds, especially tren. But I'll bet you know that already.


#10

Ya i do know that...i might switch to that in a few days i just need to get more pins because i dont mind the injections at all actually...one more question (sorry i know i've asked alot haha),is test prop and tren on a bulk not a good idea?I've been reading up and it seems like everyone that tries to bulk on this cycle stops and turns it into a cutter because they dont think its working that well,I can easily change my cycle to a cutter but right now I figured what the hell its gonna be winter time i dont even care if i have abs,but if I'm just wasting my time bulking with the wrong compounds i will switch it in a heartbeat


#11

I draw tren with slin pins. I think you have low quality stuff. Takes less than one minute to fill up .35ml.

Seriously slin pins are a godsend to AAS administration.


#12

I personally find test/tren a wonderful combination for bulking. I hear of some having appetite suppression issues with tren, but I've certainly never experienced anything like this.


#13

well just from reading around I saw some guys didnt really think they gained that much weight just that they got alot harder muscles and separation and it definetly takes less than a minute to load the pin i don't think I have low quality stuff just the first time i really didnt know what i was doing,today i really noticed the extra strength in the gym and it feels awesome


#14

On changing your goal of bulking to cutting halfway during a run due to any factor is.. just backwards.

It is a backwards way to approach physique training and shows a fundamental lack of understanding as to working towards a goal and the whole POINT of bulking and cutting in the first place (terms that are massively overused and misunderstood on 'bodybuilding' sites IMO).


#15

Ik this and I'm only a week into a 9 week cycle, I wouldnt try and do that halfway through


#16

I do apologise, i can't think where i got the impression you were thinking of changing the goal mid way through.. sorry bro.


#17

no problem brook,you and cortes have been helpin me out from the beginning and I thank you guys for that


#18

just a quick update,im 9 days into my cycle and i've gained 11 pounds....but im chubbier than when i started and i can't really see any gains at all to be honest and i havent gotten any sides from anything, I mean it doesnt look like i put on 11 pounds of fat but it doesnt look like i gained an ounce of muscle either and i really have only noticed better strength in the gym on one occasion and I'm thinking that could easily be from eating almost 4000 calories a day I'm hoping my source is as reliable as i thought he was


#19

Chalk up a few pounds to water weight.

Can't really comment on much else with out 2 sets of pics but IME you'll 'feel' the prop after 2 weeks. What about your libido and energy?

I'm only on my first run with tren right now, and only a few days in, so I really can't say how its working for me yet.


#20

well to put it simply I looked alot better before i started than how I look right now haha energy is good tho but I still thought I would at least notice something 10 days in