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Diet on Cycle


#1

How much should someone increase their calories on cycle? I have been looking and looking for a good plan but have come up short. Does anyone have a personal experience? I dont want to spend time and money planning out and executing a great cycle and come up short because my diet was lacking. My friend told me to eat clean and just eat a lot. Your appetite will go up and go by feel. I have been tracking all of my meals for the last 3 months to make weight for my first meet.

I know how much I need to eat now to be in a small surplus and build muscle 205 carbs, 70 fat, 200 protein. Not sure what is needed on cycle to give my body what it needs. This is a 500mg test per week cycle. I am 195 pounds, around 15% bodyfat. I was planing on dieting down for about 4 weeks and then start the cycle the first week of June. Thanks for the help.


#2

If you don’t know the answer to that you probably shouldn’t be looking at AAS.

How are we going to know what type of diet you need lol? What do you want to do? Go up in weight? Lower bf %?


#3

[quote]nick8000 wrote:
How much should someone increase their calories on cycle? I have been looking and looking for a good plan but have come up short. Does anyone have a personal experience? I dont want to spend time and money planning out and executing a great cycle and come up short because my diet was lacking. My friend told me to eat clean and just eat a lot. Your appetite will go up and go by feel. I have been tracking all of my meals for the last 3 months to make weight for my first meet.

I know how much I need to eat now to be in a small surplus and build muscle 205 carbs, 70 fat, 200 protein. Not sure what is needed on cycle to give my body what it needs. This is a 500mg test per week cycle. I am 195 pounds, around 15% bodyfat. I was planing on dieting down for about 4 weeks and then start the cycle the first week of June. Thanks for the help. [/quote]

that’s like 2200 calories… that’s a surplus for you?


#4

Its the same as not juicing u just get better results.

Bulking 20-25x bw in cals

Maintenance 15xbw cals

Cut 10-12x bw cals

Macros is up to u but protien should be at least 1g per lb personally I aim for 2


#5

I am around 2300 calories right now. I gain fat really easily. This is what I look like now after some dieting. I am not 100% sure what my bodyfat % is. I never want to see my abs or look cut. I want to gain strength and muscle. I dont want to be super fat. Based on what you all have said I think the calories between a maintenance and bulking number might suit me fine. I like the way I look right now at 195 pounds. I would like to fill out the 198 pound weight class. Less fat more muscle.


#6

[quote]nooberific wrote:
If you don’t know the answer to that you probably shouldn’t be looking at AAS.

How are we going to know what type of diet you need lol? What do you want to do? Go up in weight? Lower bf %? [/quote]

I guess my post was a little vague.

I want to gain strength on my lifts and gain muscle. I want to gain weight. I dont want to gain weight at the expensive of getting fat. Long story short I want to gain weight. I want to keep progressing in my lifts and take my body to new levels of strength and size. I want do powerlifting for a long time and be competitive with people my age and weight.


#7

Bro, you don’t even look like you lift… Are you serious?


#8

[quote]nooberific wrote:
Bro, you don’t even look like you lift… Are you serious?[/quote]

I am serious, I am not worried about looking like anything. I am over 1100 on my total and want to get to 1500. I want to make sure that my diet is planned out so I can get the strength gains I am looking for on cycle.


#9

I think the deal is you shouldn’t be worried about your diet on a cycle, you should just be worried about your diet.

I would guess you are around 20% body fat and should clean up your diet and lift for another year before considering a cycle.

I’m not busting on you at all. I know how you feel. You want to rock it and are all in, but, a cycle isn’t going to help you, at least it’s not going to be worth it.

Eat clean, eat a lot, lift four days a week, do cardio another four days a week, get to at least 15% BF, then think, and I do mean think, about a cycle.

Cycles are not short cuts, they are an adjunct to help you once you have done the work. Doing a cycle now would be a waste because you can get there without it, and a cycle won’t help.

Just saying.


#10

You need to forget anabolics right now and just lift and eat man. I’m not trying to be mean but you really don’t look like you lift…


#11

[quote]The Myth wrote:
I think the deal is you shouldn’t be worried about your diet on a cycle, you should just be worried about your diet.

I would guess you are around 20% body fat and should clean up your diet and lift for another year before considering a cycle.

I’m not busting on you at all. I know how you feel. You want to rock it and are all in, but, a cycle isn’t going to help you, at least it’s not going to be worth it.

Eat clean, eat a lot, lift four days a week, do cardio another four days a week, get to at least 15% BF, then think, and I do mean think, about a cycle.

Cycles are not short cuts, they are an adjunct to help you once you have done the work. Doing a cycle now would be a waste because you can get there without it, and a cycle won’t help.

Just saying.[/quote]

thanks for the advise, I may put off the cycle till next summer. I have been lifting for 3 years. The first year and a half my total test was 250 (i did not know that at the time). I was lifting hard but getting nowhere. The last year and a half my lifts have really gone up. I thought if I did a cycle this summer I could get a year of natural progress in 3 months if my training and diet were right.


#12

What do your lifts look like?


#13

[quote]nick8000 wrote:

[quote]The Myth wrote:
I think the deal is you shouldn’t be worried about your diet on a cycle, you should just be worried about your diet.

I would guess you are around 20% body fat and should clean up your diet and lift for another year before considering a cycle.

I’m not busting on you at all. I know how you feel. You want to rock it and are all in, but, a cycle isn’t going to help you, at least it’s not going to be worth it.

Eat clean, eat a lot, lift four days a week, do cardio another four days a week, get to at least 15% BF, then think, and I do mean think, about a cycle.

Cycles are not short cuts, they are an adjunct to help you once you have done the work. Doing a cycle now would be a waste because you can get there without it, and a cycle won’t help.

Just saying.[/quote]

thanks for the advise, I may put off the cycle till next summer. I have been lifting for 3 years. The first year and a half my total test was 250 (i did not know that at the time). I was lifting hard but getting nowhere. The last year and a half my lifts have really gone up. I thought if I did a cycle this summer I could get a year of natural progress in 3 months if my training and diet were right. [/quote]

no kidding? where is it at now?

you might wanna look into TRT, as you’d be a legitimate candidate…


#14

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]nick8000 wrote:

[quote]The Myth wrote:
I think the deal is you shouldn’t be worried about your diet on a cycle, you should just be worried about your diet.

I would guess you are around 20% body fat and should clean up your diet and lift for another year before considering a cycle.

I’m not busting on you at all. I know how you feel. You want to rock it and are all in, but, a cycle isn’t going to help you, at least it’s not going to be worth it.

Eat clean, eat a lot, lift four days a week, do cardio another four days a week, get to at least 15% BF, then think, and I do mean think, about a cycle.

Cycles are not short cuts, they are an adjunct to help you once you have done the work. Doing a cycle now would be a waste because you can get there without it, and a cycle won’t help.

Just saying.[/quote]

thanks for the advise, I may put off the cycle till next summer. I have been lifting for 3 years. The first year and a half my total test was 250 (i did not know that at the time). I was lifting hard but getting nowhere. The last year and a half my lifts have really gone up. I thought if I did a cycle this summer I could get a year of natural progress in 3 months if my training and diet were right. [/quote]

no kidding? where is it at now?

you might wanna look into TRT, as you’d be a legitimate candidate…[/quote]

TRT might be a good idea.


#15

[quote]nooberific wrote:
What do your lifts look like?[/quote]

Nooberific, I appreciate you giving me the straight talk. You are right unless I am flexing I really dont look like I lift. I get that a lot. I have not really worried about it because I let the lifts and the progress in the lifts do the talking for me. But honestly just a few people really know how much I lift, I am doing this for me, it is a lot of fun. I started 3 years ago really low. I was a desk jockey for many years and did not train. When I started training 3 years ago my total test was at 250 and I had no clue how to eat, and was doing 5/3/1. I have been on trt for 1.5 years and my total t is around 1100. My levels have been the same for the entire 1.5 years.

Now the lifts are Squat 400, Bench 270 touch and go, 460 deadlift. I am doing my first meet in a couple weeks. My friend told me you dont have a total until you do it at a meet on the same day. I know my numbers are not world class but I want to get something on the board and then try to beat it the next meet.

I still have a long way to go, these are not anything to brag about on this site but for me starting and 215, 155, 230 they are great and I am happy with them. I am a very serious lifter there is just still a lot I dont know. I went on the GOMAD diet last year to gain weight and all I did was get fat. That was dumb, I hired a coach this year and he helped me lose some bodyfat, I look much better now than 3 months ago.

I agree with you all, whatever progress I get this summer from a cycle I could get on my TRT dose, I get that. The problem is, I have a group of friends I email every day who are experienced lifters (Olifts). They are either current record holders or former ones. These guys know there stuff and are in top shape. I have watched some of them go from the top of their game in their early 40’s to going way down in their late 40’s. I know lifting at the top of my game will not last forever.

The reason I wanted to take a cycle this summer was because I have more time in the summer to train, eat, sleep, and at age 34 if I could semi-safely speed up my performance I could hit levels down the road 5-10 years from now that I could not have gotten to without extra supplements. I give myself two shots a week and I am feeling great. I thought why not put a little more oil in the shot and enhance my current situation and get to my future potential a little bit faster. A few hundred bucks for me is pennies compared to time. I have friends that are no longer with us, and it makes me think, my lifts are getting solid, I have a good training program, eat right eat big this summer and play a little catch up. I started to get in the game a little late (early 30’s) and ever day I try to lift as hard and optimal as I can.

If this sounds reasonable tell me what to eat and I will show you the progress. If this is a pipe dream I can hold off. I am having a lot of fun lifting and getting stronger. This is a great sport and a great website, thanks again for your help.


#16

[quote]The Myth wrote:
I think the deal is you shouldn’t be worried about your diet on a cycle, you should just be worried about your diet.

I would guess you are around 20% body fat and should clean up your diet and lift for another year before considering a cycle.

I’m not busting on you at all. I know how you feel. You want to rock it and are all in, but, a cycle isn’t going to help you, at least it’s not going to be worth it.

Eat clean, eat a lot, lift four days a week, do cardio another four days a week, get to at least 15% BF, then think, and I do mean think, about a cycle.

Cycles are not short cuts, they are an adjunct to help you once you have done the work. Doing a cycle now would be a waste because you can get there without it, and a cycle won’t help.

Just saying.[/quote]

thanks for the advice myth, I have only been on a semi real diet (planned out by a professional) for 3 months. I think if I increase my workload this summer and add more steak and eggs and probably could have a pretty good summer program with just my trt dose. I take two shots a week so I thought if some is good more is better. I do understand that my programming, intensity, diet, and cycle planning all have to be in line to see any real gains long term. Maybe I thought I was a little closer to that day than I really am, and I got a little excited about the thought of not seeing some of my friends and co workers for a couple of months and then when we go back to work (“bam!@, what happened to you, your shirt doesn’t fit”), maybe I need to get in the real world and stop dreaming.


#17

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]nick8000 wrote:

[quote]The Myth wrote:
I think the deal is you shouldn’t be worried about your diet on a cycle, you should just be worried about your diet.

I would guess you are around 20% body fat and should clean up your diet and lift for another year before considering a cycle.

I’m not busting on you at all. I know how you feel. You want to rock it and are all in, but, a cycle isn’t going to help you, at least it’s not going to be worth it.

Eat clean, eat a lot, lift four days a week, do cardio another four days a week, get to at least 15% BF, then think, and I do mean think, about a cycle.

Cycles are not short cuts, they are an adjunct to help you once you have done the work. Doing a cycle now would be a waste because you can get there without it, and a cycle won’t help.

Just saying.[/quote]

thanks for the advise, I may put off the cycle till next summer. I have been lifting for 3 years. The first year and a half my total test was 250 (i did not know that at the time). I was lifting hard but getting nowhere. The last year and a half my lifts have really gone up. I thought if I did a cycle this summer I could get a year of natural progress in 3 months if my training and diet were right. [/quote]

no kidding? where is it at now?

you might wanna look into TRT, as you’d be a legitimate candidate…[/quote]

I have been on trt for 1.5 years and my total t is at 1100. All the other numbers are good. I used the sticky KSman or Kman wrote on this board to write a letter to my doctor asking him for test, an AI, and HCG. He was impressed that I knew what I was doing (I did not take the credit, yall get it). The TRT is going great. I was thinking TRT + would be even better.


#18

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]nick8000 wrote:

[quote]The Myth wrote:
I think the deal is you shouldn’t be worried about your diet on a cycle, you should just be worried about your diet.

I would guess you are around 20% body fat and should clean up your diet and lift for another year before considering a cycle.

I’m not busting on you at all. I know how you feel. You want to rock it and are all in, but, a cycle isn’t going to help you, at least it’s not going to be worth it.

Eat clean, eat a lot, lift four days a week, do cardio another four days a week, get to at least 15% BF, then think, and I do mean think, about a cycle.

Cycles are not short cuts, they are an adjunct to help you once you have done the work. Doing a cycle now would be a waste because you can get there without it, and a cycle won’t help.

Just saying.[/quote]

thanks for the advise, I may put off the cycle till next summer. I have been lifting for 3 years. The first year and a half my total test was 250 (i did not know that at the time). I was lifting hard but getting nowhere. The last year and a half my lifts have really gone up. I thought if I did a cycle this summer I could get a year of natural progress in 3 months if my training and diet were right. [/quote]

no kidding? where is it at now?

you might wanna look into TRT, as you’d be a legitimate candidate…[/quote]

Cyco, you know what the funny part of the trt story for me was? I was about 1 year into my training and was getting strength gains but no change in body comp. The day after I trained I would pass out after work and could not do much at all. I went in to a check up and asked the doctor to check my test (I heard a commercial about it on the radio). She said “ok” but did not think that was the issue. When the results came back she said everything was great except my low test. She asked if I had ever used performance enhancing drugs. I was like “do I look like it?” I was 170 pounds mostly in my gut. I told her no. She put me on some gel and it did not do much. I found this site and shopped for a doctor until I found this one.


#19

For myself the difference of what is a caloric surplus on-cycle vs off-cycle is only about 200Cal or so. I nearly reached my natural weight limit for 4800Cal while off cycle, and then gained only 5lb extra (probably water) over the course of a long and heavy cycle because I kept my calories the same.

I am still unsure, but it sounds to me like there are some guys who can keep their calories the same and gain significant weight from the addition of gear.
I sure as fuck am not one of them.
For me, it seems like steroids help me reach my natural weight limit for a particular caloric intake at a faster rate, but not exceed it by much at all.

This means that I don’t have too much of an issue maintaining my gained weight after my cycle is over.


#20

A couple questions:

  1. What is your TRT dose? This is relevant to addressing what you can expect out of a 500/week run.

  2. Why didn’t you mention you were on TRT from the start? Did you not think that was important to the question? Since you’re already on steroids, thinks like pct, and the risk of losing natural production are non-factors. It basically makes it ‘easier’ to run a cycle if you’re already relying on supplemental testosterone.