Did a Health Professional Do You Wrong?

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
A fine Army doctor told me a bullet came and went through my body and I was fine.

Two years of heavy back squats later, said bullet was removed from my spine where it was imbedded and pressing on a disk.[/quote]

How in the fuck could he make this determination without an exit wound? Wow.
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There was an exit wound. From another bullet, probably. Or part of a bullet.

They x-rayed me laying on my belly. Apparently, they needed to roll me on my side to catch it, and were supposed to have, but didn’t bother.[/quote]

Gotcha. Lazy sounds about right.

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Not me personally, but I was there. My dad and I were returning from a fishing trip when the car a ways in front of us lost control and flipped in the median. You could see the guy come out the sunroof about to his waist and the car rolled on him. We pulled up, got him out of the car and did CPR along with a nurse that pulled up not long after us.

You could tell his ribcage was shattered and he was going in and out. The first paramedics that got there were this young girl and this huge fat guy. They walk up with the guy still somewhat conscious and go “Well, doesn’t look like there is anything we can do for that one, ya’ll can stop.”

I will never forget the look on the guys face when they said that. He was terrified, and granted he was going to die but why do you say that standing over someone. I thought my dad was going to punch his teeth out and probably would have had I not stopped him.

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[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Weeeell, there was the dentist who did not diagnose chronic mouth breathing correctly, which, given the arch of my upper jaw was more or less a given, but wondered why I never wore the block that was meant to correct my teeth and my jaw,

Cause I could not breathe with that in my mouth you dumbass.

Which of course led to a disformed jaw, which to his credit is not obvious from the outside, hell, you dont see it, BUT, 50 % of airflow resistance is created in the nose and even small abberations can have a huge impact.

Meaning, I can suck air down in my sleep, but the amount of inhalation it takes me makes my uvula collapse like a wet straw.

I wish that I could report that after 10 or 15 or 20? years of that a doctor finally caught on, but no, I did.

Because in a socialized system such as ours, they get 14 EUR or so per visit, so they dont dig deep.

Conclusion; I dont trust doctors for shit, especially not in a system you Muricans are going to be blessed with in less than a decade and if I have a problem I go the private doctors route because they do awesome shit, like listen to half an hour before even asking questions.

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Despite our considerable political differences, I sympathise I ahve to disagree slightly with practitioners in the private sector. I’ve had very uneven experiences with them, some great, some frankly awful.
One sinus specialist I went to sat throughout the whole consultation with his arms folded and answered my very polite questions with abrupt one word answers. I’d had sinus/breathing problems all my life (still do but far less intense since I went off wheat), had a couple of operations and wanted to get a handle on what the hell goes on up there. After the third question (extremely polite and timidly expressed mind you) he pointed to a poster anbd said something else, brief and abrupt.
I said I was only trying to understand what I could do about my sinuses and he basically said if I didn’t like the way he did things I didn’t have to come back.
I left in tears and the secretary apologised for him - a sixty-sometrhing man who either had abad attitude or was having a bad day - either way, inexcusably rude.
I told her not to dare apologise for hium, he was an adult.
Later I rang them to say that I would not come back.
Who needs that garbage?
The Net has been my friend ever since regarding medical care but I still unfortuantely have to deal with docotors an dentists etc.
I have a doctor who knows very little about the wheat issue but has always been receptive to me doing new things - important, at least she’s not spooked about nutritional solutions like some docs are - and though I still have lots of issues she is impressed and happy at my ongoing improvements.

I had a dentist who told me a tooth that needed a reasonably small but definite fix was not worth doing (!). Another dentist in the same practice ruined another perfectly healthy tooth despite me telling her not to do the procedure she was planning. I went to another dentist to get it rebuilt and will have to go again.
Grrrrrrr…

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Tears?

Fuck tears!

He was right, if you dont like the way he is doing business, screw him and the horse he rode in on.

A good doctor is priceless, a bad one is a danger to his patients.

With that attitude I would have walked out in the middle of the consultation, thrown a few hundred bucks in his general direction because NOT BEING TREATED BY HIM WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY and made sure that everyone I know would most definitely not be treated by him.

Some doctors have a serious problem understanding that THEY work for ME.

On the bright side, some of my doctors have a very bad conscience now, so when I want something I get it.

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I worked in a care home for a year and half before coming to uni to study medicine.
Once, while we were putting residents to their beds, I was told by a nurse to take a specific woman. I asked the woman if she’d like to go, and she said no. I then went to take a different woman and was confronted by the nurse, who upon being told that she’d said no, and after checking with the woman, said “Then we will make the decision for her”.
This is legal in some cases, but I knew that this wasn’t one of those cases. Our standoff ended when the woman changed her mind and decided to go to bed anyway.

My girlfriends grandad had a knee replacement, and had minor complications in surgery, meaning the surgery took longer than it should’ve, which worried both him and the family. A few days later, while sat in his hospital bed with my girlfriend, her parents, and grandma around, he asked the doctor “When will I be able to go home?”.
The doctor ignored his question, looked out of the window and said “It’s a nice day today.”
He was then discharged the next day.

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Some doctor’s are really great up here, not a problem ever for myself. My sister on the other hand, has dealt with incompetent fools for years that have misdiagnosed auto immune disorders. Mind you it is hard to nab it spot on…It is hard to watch someone change drastically in a short period of time but things have been getting better, finally got proper diagnoses after 14 years of trying different things. Up here if you aren’t important they give you the run around, my friends dad had heart surgery and went to America to get it done because of the bad experiences he had up here as well. For the most part I’ve had good doctor’s, our last family doctor told my sister to walk off her illness ahhaa.

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[quote]Jlabs wrote:
Some doctor’s are really great up here, not a problem ever for myself. My sister on the other hand, has dealt with incompetent fools for years that have misdiagnosed auto immune disorders. Mind you it is hard to nab it spot on…It is hard to watch someone change drastically in a short period of time but things have been getting better, finally got proper diagnoses after 14 years of trying different things. Up here if you aren’t important they give you the run around, my friends dad had heart surgery and went to America to get it done because of the bad experiences he had up here as well. For the most part I’ve had good doctor’s, our last family doctor told my sister to walk off her illness ahhaa. [/quote]

Yeah well, I think Bumacare will close the option to simply fly to the US pretty soon.

No worries, Singapore et al are keen to close the gap.

1st world medicine in 2nd to 3rd world countries just because they are not infected by the “Manna falls from the sky and its governments job to distribute it fairly”-ism.

At least not yet.

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I had a doctor squeeze my nuts beyond what I thought was normal, when I complained of abdominal pain. I figured he was checking for a hernia, asking me to cough, but he kept squeezing harder and harder. When he refused to stop after I pleaded with him, I kicked him in the chest, and not a single fuck was given when he complained about it.

It turned out to be the first symptoms of some digestive issues I learn about later on, and no I did not have a hernia.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I had a doctor squeeze my nuts beyond what I thought was normal, when I complained of abdominal pain. I figured he was checking for a hernia, asking me to cough, but he kept squeezing harder and harder. When he refused to stop after I pleaded with him, I kicked him in the chest, and not a single fuck was given when he complained about it.

It turned out to be the first symptoms of some digestive issues I learn about later on, and no I did not have a hernia. [/quote]

I agree with you on the principle that if another man asks you to stop squeezing his balls that, at the very latest, is when you stop squeezing his balls.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I had a doctor squeeze my nuts beyond what I thought was normal, when I complained of abdominal pain. I figured he was checking for a hernia, asking me to cough, but he kept squeezing harder and harder. When he refused to stop after I pleaded with him, I kicked him in the chest, and not a single fuck was given when he complained about it.

It turned out to be the first symptoms of some digestive issues I learn about later on, and no I did not have a hernia. [/quote]

I agree with you on the principle that if another man asks you to stop squeezing his balls that, at the very latest, is when you stop squeezing his balls.

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Go ahead and ask me what happened when I had my large intestine removed. Go ahead, I will wait…

Ok, since you asked:

So I woke up in the ICU, after surgery that lasted a couple hours. I started having bad pain, worse than normal pain. I paged the nurse, she said it was normal since I just had major surgery. The pain got worse, pretty much unbearable. I page the nurse again, she then tells me to stop complaining. Last time, I ask to see the charge nurse (head nurse) and she pages the surgeon to come check me out. As the surgeon walks in, he slips on a wet spot on the floor and almost falls. He looks at the puddle, then looks at my IV pole, and sees the morphine drip got disconnected from my IV line going into my arm. He reconnects the morphine drip and apologized for the incompetence. I knocked out soon after, and when I woke up, the original nurse was relieved from her shift and sent home.

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Tears?

Fuck tears!

He was right, if you dont like the way he is doing business, screw him and the horse he rode in on.

A good doctor is priceless, a bad one is a danger to his patients.

With that attitude I would have walked out in the middle of the consultation, thrown a few hundred bucks in his general direction because NOT BEING TREATED BY HIM WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY and made sure that everyone I know would most definitely not be treated by him.

Some doctors have a serious problem understanding that THEY work for ME.

On the bright side, some of my doctors have a very bad conscience now, so when I want something I get it.

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“Some doctors have a serious problem understanding that THEY work for ME.”

I’m at the point now where I don’t want to ne regarded as a “patient”. I think this word is a real problem…
I’m a medical client/customer. I know lots of businesses screw over customers too but I think it defines a necessary separation that the word “patient” does no.

As for the tears, I was upset at being spoken to angrily when I was just asking polite questions. I did however, agree that I should not return.

Unfortunately, assholes are everywhere. I think someone’s breeding them!!

I know of dentistry stories that are far worse than mine, but mine are annoying enough.

What I don’t understand is why so many otherwise criminal incidents are confined to assessment by medical boards, dental associations and the like, although some do make it to the courts.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I had a doctor squeeze my nuts beyond what I thought was normal, when I complained of abdominal pain. I figured he was checking for a hernia, asking me to cough, but he kept squeezing harder and harder. When he refused to stop after I pleaded with him, I kicked him in the chest, and not a single fuck was given when he complained about it.

It turned out to be the first symptoms of some digestive issues I learn about later on, and no I did not have a hernia. [/quote]

I agree with you on the principle that if another man asks you to stop squeezing his balls that, at the very latest, is when you stop squeezing his balls.

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Go ahead and ask me what happened when I had my large intestine removed. Go ahead, I will wait…

Ok, since you asked:

So I woke up in the ICU, after surgery that lasted a couple hours. I started having bad pain, worse than normal pain. I paged the nurse, she said it was normal since I just had major surgery. The pain got worse, pretty much unbearable. I page the nurse again, she then tells me to stop complaining. Last time, I ask to see the charge nurse (head nurse) and she pages the surgeon to come check me out. As the surgeon walks in, he slips on a wet spot on the floor and almost falls. He looks at the puddle, then looks at my IV pole, and sees the morphine drip got disconnected from my IV line going into my arm. He reconnects the morphine drip and apologized for the incompetence. I knocked out soon after, and when I woke up, the original nurse was relieved from her shift and sent home. [/quote]

Wow.

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[quote] orion wrote:

[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:

Tears?

Fuck tears!

He was right, if you dont like the way he is doing business, screw him and the horse he rode in on.

A good doctor is priceless, a bad one is a danger to his patients.

With that attitude I would have walked out in the middle of the consultation, thrown a few hundred bucks in his general direction because NOT BEING TREATED BY HIM WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY and made sure that everyone I know would most definitely not be treated by him.

Some doctors have a serious problem understanding that THEY work for ME.

On the bright side, some of my doctors have a very bad conscience now, so when I want something I get it.

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“Some doctors have a serious problem understanding that THEY work for ME.”

I’m at the point now where I don’t want to ne regarded as a “patient”. I think this word is a real problem…
I’m a medical client/customer. I know lots of businesses screw over customers too but I think it defines a necessary separation that the word “patient” does no.

As for the tears, I was upset at being spoken to angrily when I was just asking polite questions. I did however, agree that I should not return.

Unfortunately, assholes are everywhere. I think someone’s breeding them!!

I know of dentistry stories that are far worse than mine, but mine are annoying enough.

What I don’t understand is why so many otherwise criminal incidents are confined to assessment by medical boards, dental associations and the like, although some do make it to the courts.[/quote]

You know, I get it.

You go to a doctor when you are not feeling well in the first place and that is the last place where you want to be all macho and shit.

Now, I am kind of a belligerent asshole, but if I was not, I might bring a friend along who was on top of his game.

If your doctor is not fine with that, find someone who is.

Someone has to ask the hard questions, preferably someone who is not sick and scared.

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For all of you lamenting the implementation of the ACA, it is certainly not all bad. Coincidentally this morning we had a recap of our department’s observed/expected in-hospital mortality. The numbers for the hospital system and national averages were also shown. In addition we reviewed our door-to-needle time for tPA for the past several months. All of these criteria are now going to be judged against a national standard and reimbursement is going to depend directly on performance. My example is certainly a bit different than those that came before since it is mostly focused on critical care and stroke, but it’s the only direct example I can vouch for.

The changes will not occur just with inpatient care. There will also likely be a nationally-mandated system for 7 and 30 day direct calls to patients post-discharge to check up on their progress (admittedly this is a cost-saving measure to avoid re-admission, but still it’s a great addition and something that NEVER gets done now). This is unlikely to involve all discharge diagnoses, but that would be a bit excessive imo. In addition there is going to be an open national database where health professionals are graded subjectively by their patients.

While there are certainly problems with the above system/ ACA, at the very least it should reassure you that payment is going to be based on outcome moreso in the future than it is now. This will help to ensure in part that patient care doesnt suffer even though we’re entering a somewhat new era. On top of that, remember that we currently spend 5% more of our GDP on healthcare than any other nation on earth, yet we have significantly worse outcomes than many, many other countries. The new changes will not be perfect but something does need to change.

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“You know, I get it. You go to a doctor when you are not feeling well in the first place and that is the last place where you want to be all macho and shit.”

Exactly!!

"Now, I am kind of a belligerent asshole, but if I was not, I might bring a friend along who was on top of his game. If your doctor is not fine with that, find someone who is.

Someone has to ask the hard questions, preferably someone who is not sick and scared." [/quote]

Maybe we need medical bouncers…suitably qualified of course. If you’re at the doctor and you can’t breathe, or are dizzy, it’s very difficult unless you’re just getting medication.

And I want props for not taking up the hugely comic offer that was your statement: “I am kind of a belligerent asshole”. :wink:

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My girl had to read this book called Unaccountable for work; it’s basically about the messed up things that happen in medical settings and the systems in place that take out practitioner’s accountability. The most obvious being when they give you a shot to cause temporary amnesia so you don’t remember anything and can’t sue. According to the book, a doctor could (and has) perform surgery drunk, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

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I once spent 14 hours waiting for surgery for appendicitis when I was 13 years old.

During that time I waited 10 hours in the ER waiting room. Twice I was brought in for ultra sounds to determine the issue. The second time I asked the doctor why he couldn’t watch the previous doctor do instead of doing it one after the other. The doctor ignored this and said “yep, it’s probably appendicitis.” At that point I was sent back to the waiting room for another couple hours. When I finally received a bed 10 hours later my mother begged the doctors to give me pain killers. I don’t remember that point as I’d already blacked out from pain.

By the time I finally got into surgery my appendix had ruptured. After surgery my mother asked the nurses if I had been stitched up. They didn’t know, and refused to ask the doctor because he was notorious for poorly treating the nurses. When he finally came to see me my mother asked him. He walked up to me and said, “lets check.” He grabbed my dressing and ripped it off my stomach in one yank, nearly pulling me out of my bed in shock and pain. “Looks like I left it open…” and with that he walked out.

I required a home nurse the rest of the summer as I developed what I’m told is called “granulated skin cells” Essentially my wound healed outward without ever sealing in the middle. The wound had to be cauterized several times throughout the summer until it sealed. Given the poor healing process, and the necessity of cauterizing the abdominal muscles, it developed into a hernia.

All for a quick appendectomy.

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[quote]MementoMori wrote:
I once spent 14 hours waiting for surgery for appendicitis when I was 13 years old.

During that time I waited 10 hours in the ER waiting room. Twice I was brought in for ultra sounds to determine the issue. The second time I asked the doctor why he couldn’t watch the previous doctor do instead of doing it one after the other. The doctor ignored this and said “yep, it’s probably appendicitis.” At that point I was sent back to the waiting room for another couple hours. When I finally received a bed 10 hours later my mother begged the doctors to give me pain killers. I don’t remember that point as I’d already blacked out from pain.

By the time I finally got into surgery my appendix had ruptured. After surgery my mother asked the nurses if I had been stitched up. They didn’t know, and refused to ask the doctor because he was notorious for poorly treating the nurses. When he finally came to see me my mother asked him. He walked up to me and said, “lets check.” He grabbed my dressing and ripped it off my stomach in one yank, nearly pulling me out of my bed in shock and pain. “Looks like I left it open…” and with that he walked out.

I required a home nurse the rest of the summer as I developed what I’m told is called “granulated skin cells” Essentially my wound healed outward without ever sealing in the middle. The wound had to be cauterized several times throughout the summer until it sealed. Given the poor healing process, and the necessity of cauterizing the abdominal muscles, it developed into a hernia.

All for a quick appendectomy.
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coming soon to America…

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A few years back the wife was having bad chest pains all night. I took her to a prompt care the next morning. The doctor barely looked her over, told her she pulled a muscle, and sent her home with pain medication.

Later in the day I rushed her to the emergency room…she had blood clots in both lungs, her shoulder, and almost died in the hospital that night. Thank God the pain medication didn’t ease the pain or else we wouldn’t have gone to the ER, and she definitely would have died at home.

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[quote]StevenF wrote:

[quote]MementoMori wrote:
I once spent 14 hours waiting for surgery for appendicitis when I was 13 years old.

During that time I waited 10 hours in the ER waiting room. Twice I was brought in for ultra sounds to determine the issue. The second time I asked the doctor why he couldn’t watch the previous doctor do instead of doing it one after the other. The doctor ignored this and said “yep, it’s probably appendicitis.” At that point I was sent back to the waiting room for another couple hours. When I finally received a bed 10 hours later my mother begged the doctors to give me pain killers. I don’t remember that point as I’d already blacked out from pain.

By the time I finally got into surgery my appendix had ruptured. After surgery my mother asked the nurses if I had been stitched up. They didn’t know, and refused to ask the doctor because he was notorious for poorly treating the nurses. When he finally came to see me my mother asked him. He walked up to me and said, “lets check.” He grabbed my dressing and ripped it off my stomach in one yank, nearly pulling me out of my bed in shock and pain. “Looks like I left it open…” and with that he walked out.

I required a home nurse the rest of the summer as I developed what I’m told is called “granulated skin cells” Essentially my wound healed outward without ever sealing in the middle. The wound had to be cauterized several times throughout the summer until it sealed. Given the poor healing process, and the necessity of cauterizing the abdominal muscles, it developed into a hernia.

All for a quick appendectomy.
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coming soon to America… [/quote]

See my post above. Definitely not.

Also granulation tissue is what’s supposed to happen to a wound. There are incompetent/mean-spiritied people in every profession.