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Depth Check, Good for USAPL?

I was wondering if this is good enough depth for my meet coming up.

No. Maybe it’s the angle but it looks @ 3-4" high. Hip needs to pass below the knee. Is there anyone that you trust who could call your depth as you train for the meet?

That belt isn’t going to be legal either.

No, not legal as the others have said. You get pretty low but your knees shot far forward and that makes hitting competition depth harder to do. You need to sit back more, keep your shin a bit more vertical. Try lifting your big toe up to force the weight in your heels while you squat (with lighter weight).

An easy visualization for proper depth is if you put a marble at the top of the thigh musculature near the knee, would the marble roll forward to your shin or roll backward toward your hip? In your case the marble would always roll forward (because you didn’t go below parallel) whereas a proper squat for the stricter feds the marble needs to roll backward.

Having said all of that the best way to judge depth is to have the camera on the side about the same height as your hip when you squat.

Hope that helps, better to find out now than get red lights in a meet.

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
That belt isn’t going to be legal either.[/quote]
What’s wrong with the belt? It appears to be a typical weightlifting belt with a prong-buckle enclosure.

[quote]Perami wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
That belt isn’t going to be legal either.[/quote]
What’s wrong with the belt? It appears to be a typical weightlifting belt with a prong-buckle enclosure.[/quote]

It’s one of those harbinger belts that tapers in the front as is wide in the back. As far as I know, belts have to be uniform in width, but I may be mistaken.

[quote]Perami wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
That belt isn’t going to be legal either.[/quote]
What’s wrong with the belt? It appears to be a typical weightlifting belt with a prong-buckle enclosure.[/quote]

Way, way too wide for it to be legal. Also, belts cannot be tapered from front to back. The width has to be uniform all the way around.

Here are IPF specifications regarding belts:

Belt
Competitors may wear a belt. If worn, it shall be on the outside of the lifting suit.
Materials and Construction:
(a) The main body shall be made of leather, vinyl or other similar non stretch material in one or
more l aminations which may be glued and / or stitched together.
(b) It shall not have additional padding, bracing or supports of any material either on the surface or
concealed within the laminations of the belt.
© The buckle shall be attached at one end of the belt by means of studs and / or stitching.
(d) The belt may have a buckle with one or two prongs or â??quick releaseâ?? type (â??quick releaseâ??
referring to lever.)
(e) A tongue loop shall be attached close to the buckle by means of studs / or stitching.
(f) The name of the lifter, the lifterâ??s nation, state or club may appear on the outside of the belt.

Dimensions:
1.Width of belt maximum 10 cm.
2.Thickness of belt maximum 13 mm along the main length.
3.Inside width of buckle maximum 11 cm.
4.Outside width of buckle maximum 13 cm.
5.Tongue loop maximum width 5 cm.
6.Distance between end of belt and far end of tongue loop maximum
25 cm.
Correct Points of
Measurement: See attached picture

Taper isn’t an issue if it falls within the above requirements. The picture helps explain some of the measurements.

[quote]SlothGuy wrote:
Also, belts cannot be tapered from front to back. The width has to be uniform all the way around. [/quote]
I compete USAPL with a tapered belt :slight_smile:

To the OP: Once you set up, make sure your knees are locked (flex the quads hard) or there may be a delay in getting the squat command. USAPL can be strict about this.

Good luck!

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]SlothGuy wrote:
Also, belts cannot be tapered from front to back. The width has to be uniform all the way around. [/quote]
I compete USAPL with a tapered belt :slight_smile:

To the OP: Once you set up, make sure your knees are locked (flex the quads hard) or there may be a delay in getting the squat command. USAPL can be strict about this.

Good luck![/quote]

Is your belt tapered because of the Oly stuff you do or is there a PL related reason?

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]SlothGuy wrote:
Also, belts cannot be tapered from front to back. The width has to be uniform all the way around. [/quote]
I compete USAPL with a tapered belt :slight_smile:

To the OP: Once you set up, make sure your knees are locked (flex the quads hard) or there may be a delay in getting the squat command. USAPL can be strict about this.

Good luck![/quote]

Is your belt tapered because of the Oly stuff you do or is there a PL related reason?[/quote]

My wife trains with and will be competing in a tapered belt because the way her BIOS are no matter how tight she gets the belt once she squats down or bends down to get to the bar on a deadlift her hips shove it up.

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
Here are IPF specifications regarding belts:

Belt
Competitors may wear a belt. If worn, it shall be on the outside of the lifting suit.
Materials and Construction:
(a) The main body shall be made of leather, vinyl or other similar non stretch material in one or
more l aminations which may be glued and / or stitched together.
(b) It shall not have additional padding, bracing or supports of any material either on the surface or
concealed within the laminations of the belt.
© The buckle shall be attached at one end of the belt by means of studs and / or stitching.
(d) The belt may have a buckle with one or two prongs or â??quick releaseâ?? type (â??quick releaseâ??
referring to lever.)
(e) A tongue loop shall be attached close to the buckle by means of studs / or stitching.
(f) The name of the lifter, the lifterâ??s nation, state or club may appear on the outside of the belt.

Dimensions:
1.Width of belt maximum 10 cm.
2.Thickness of belt maximum 13 mm along the main length.
3.Inside width of buckle maximum 11 cm.
4.Outside width of buckle maximum 13 cm.
5.Tongue loop maximum width 5 cm.
6.Distance between end of belt and far end of tongue loop maximum
25 cm.
Correct Points of
Measurement: See attached picture

Taper isn’t an issue if it falls within the above requirements. The picture helps explain some of the measurements.[/quote]

I stand corrected. Thanks!

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
Here are IPF specifications regarding belts:

Belt
Competitors may wear a belt. If worn, it shall be on the outside of the lifting suit.
Materials and Construction:
(a) The main body shall be made of leather, vinyl or other similar non stretch material in one or
more l aminations which may be glued and / or stitched together.
(b) It shall not have additional padding, bracing or supports of any material either on the surface or
concealed within the laminations of the belt.
© The buckle shall be attached at one end of the belt by means of studs and / or stitching.
(d) The belt may have a buckle with one or two prongs or �¢??quick release�¢?? type (�¢??quick release�¢??
referring to lever.)
(e) A tongue loop shall be attached close to the buckle by means of studs / or stitching.
(f) The name of the lifter, the lifter�¢??s nation, state or club may appear on the outside of the belt.

Dimensions:
1.Width of belt maximum 10 cm.
2.Thickness of belt maximum 13 mm along the main length.
3.Inside width of buckle maximum 11 cm.
4.Outside width of buckle maximum 13 cm.
5.Tongue loop maximum width 5 cm.
6.Distance between end of belt and far end of tongue loop maximum
25 cm.
Correct Points of
Measurement: See attached picture

Taper isn’t an issue if it falls within the above requirements. The picture helps explain some of the measurements.[/quote]

I stand corrected. Thanks![/quote]
tbh, I don’t know if his is legal or not. I’ve have to take a look. I just look at the rules a lot because I ref and have done lots of equipment checks.

I think his belt might just be illegal, actually. Looking at it, the back looks VERY big. I think it’s probably a 6" back, which is over the 13mm reg posted.

OP video is hilarious to me

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
OP video is hilarious to me[/quote]

Because you’re a huge jerk, or…

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Is your belt tapered because of the Oly stuff you do or is there a PL related reason?[/quote]
Oly stuff? It’s been a long time since I tried any of that.

I wear a tapered because I’m tiny. A full-size is just too much belt for me. I can breathe better in a tapered.

[quote]anonymous_burn wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
OP video is hilarious to me[/quote]

Because you’re a huge jerk, or…[/quote]

Or because, with those socks, glasses, fuzzy camera work, and appropriate grunting, the video is slightly evocative of the beginning of a 1980s porn video. But I’m no expert in squatting or the 1980s.

[quote]Perami wrote:
I think his belt might just be illegal, actually. Looking at it, the back looks VERY big. I think it’s probably a 6" back, which is over the 13mm reg posted.[/quote]
I’m guessing metric isn’t your thing. 13mm = ~0.5". That measurement is for the thickness.

That depth won’t pass in the USAPL. I’m almost certain. A side view of your squat would be better. And I see that harbinger belt lying around my gym all the time. It looks wider than my inzer. Measure to be safe.