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[quote]John Roman wrote:
FLABREZU wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
Don’t poker online. Every site is rigged. A shit-ton of people say that most sites (pokerstars, fulltilt) aren’t rigged, but I’m positive they are.

You play alot more hands in an hour online, but even with that taken into account the amount of bad beats I’ve had with monster hands are insane compared to live play. Can’t be all bad luck.

…Why would they rig it to make you lose?

The theory isn’t that a site is “rigged” to make one specific player “lose.”

The theory most people are really talking about is that the cards that come out aren’t exactly random. So if two to three players are given hands that connect with the flop, the action will be fast and loose and the pot will therefore be bigger. Since online sites make money by taking a rake of each pot, the more big pots you have the better the site makes out.

That said, it’s a theory.

I have seen wicked beats both online and in person.

Poker sites are making enough money without trying to stimulate action.

At the higher levels, they are making shit-tons of cash because the stacks are so big and the bets/pots reflect that. The high level guys like to gamble a bit anyway so the pots are huge. No need to rig.

At the lower stakes, there are so many thousands of tables that they make money all day. And, relative to the larger tables, the amount of money being played for is so small that to try and cheat players in order to grow the average pot by like 5% doesn’t really make sense.

I don’t buy it.[/quote]

I agree that there will be insane bad beats in live play also, but the ratio on online poker is utterly ridiculous. Maybe I’m just a very unlucky person when it comes to poker, but more than 50% of the time (yes, I’m serious) my aces will get crushed by some donkey who decided to call my 5x bb raise with J6 offsuit only for him to flop a set or a fullhouse…

A few times a day I can believe and I’ll accept, but it’s been getting out of hand the last couple months.

[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
Don’t poker online. Every site is rigged. A shit-ton of people say that most sites (pokerstars, fulltilt) aren’t rigged, but I’m positive they are.

You play alot more hands in an hour online, but even with that taken into account the amount of bad beats I’ve had with monster hands are insane compared to live play. Can’t be all bad luck.[/quote]

Same here. Its so different from live poker that strategy and intelligent gameplay go out the window.

Far better to just visit a poker room at a casino nearby.

In response to my other post, I quit online poker.

Fuck it, I’m done. A couple bad beats in a little over half an hour:

#1. AK diamonds preflop 4x bb raise called by 10 spade 9 diamond. Caught a K on the flop, raise he goes all in I call. He catches 4 spades.

#2. AQ hearts preflop all in (had about 7 bb’s), someone calls with J2 offsuit. Flop comes Ace Queen 3, turn 4 and river 5 he catches a straight vs. my 2 pair.

#3. Q hearts K diamonds raise on the BB. 2 guys call. Flop comes 10 J 4, I do a continuation bet, he calls. Turn comes 9, I make a straight. I raise, he goes all in, I call. He has pocket 9’s, and the river hits the fourth 9.

This is simply impossible with live play. They succesfully scared away another player.

[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
#1. AK diamonds preflop 4x bb raise called by 10 spade 9 diamond. Caught a K on the flop, raise he goes all in I call. He catches 4 spades.[/quote]

Don’t fixate on individual results. In the long run, you’ll make plenty of money against players who have to hit runner-runner to beat you.[/quote]

Well you weren’t much more than a 60-40 favorite when all the money went in anyway. In other words, you’ll lose that hand almost 4 of every 10 times regardless of how pretty it looks.

No doubt losing to the one-outer always hurts, but it definitely happens in live games as well.
EDIT - Actually, he picked up ten more outs when that 9 hit on fourth street.

[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
#3. Q hearts K diamonds raise on the BB. 2 guys call. Flop comes 10 J 4, I do a continuation bet, he calls. Turn comes 9, I make a straight. I raise, he goes all in, I call. He has pocket 9’s, and the river hits the fourth 9.
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Hahha, the amount of times that has happened to me is just ridiculous. Jokerstars.com

[quote]chillain wrote:
Sick Rick wrote:
#1. AK diamonds preflop 4x bb raise called by 10 spade 9 diamond. Caught a K on the flop, raise he goes all in I call. He catches 4 spades.

Don’t fixate on individual results. In the long run, you’ll make plenty of money against players who have to hit runner-runner to beat you.[/quote]

I’m not hating, but this isn’t really an individual result. Happens so often it would make me cry if it were for more cash.

[quote]#2. AQ hearts preflop all in (had about 7 bb’s), someone calls with J2 offsuit. Flop comes Ace Queen 3, turn 4 and river 5 he catches a straight vs. my 2 pair.

Well you weren’t much more than a 60-40 favorite when all the money went in anyway. In other words, you’ll lose that hand almost 4 of every 10 times regardless of how pretty it looks.[/quote]

Correct. But first, why call with J2 offsuit? It’s a worthless hand. Second, on the flop I was a massive favorite. What the fuck is up with the turn and river? Again, this happens quite often.

[quote]#3. Q hearts K diamonds raise on the BB. 2 guys call. Flop comes 10 J 4, I do a continuation bet, he calls. Turn comes 9, I make a straight. I raise, he goes all in, I call. He has pocket 9’s, and the river hits the fourth 9.

No doubt losing to the one-outer always hurts, but it definitely happens in live games as well.
EDIT - Actually, he picked up ten more outs when that 9 hit on fourth street.
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This one I don’t feel bad about. It’s very bitter to swallow, but it almost never happens.

[quote]Sick Rick wrote:
Correct. But first, why call with J2 offsuit? It’s a worthless hand. Second, on the flop I was a massive favorite. What the fuck is up with the turn and river? Again, this happens quite often.
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The turn and the river can be serious killers, even in live games.

I sometimes go in with 7/4 or 7/2 off suite if it’s cheap enough because when they hit, no ones sees it coming. I’ve put many players on tilt with those hands, lol.