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Dems: Did They Learn ANYTHING?


#1

It appears as though they didn’t.

They lose elections from Statehouses to the White House about as thoroughly as any Party can (or has?) in the Modern Era.

“We need to “get in touch/find a NEW direction”…Blah, blah…” (emphasis on “New”).

Then they Elect as their leaders Pelosi and Schumer…and there is talk of Biden running on 2020???

(WUH???)

Now…I guess one could say that they need “experience” for the Battles ahead. (Which I don’t buy).

So I pose the question to PWI:

Did the DEMS learn ANYTHING from the past election?


#2

About Dem Regrets - Kimberly Strassel, WSJ
Democrats Send Their Regrets
Blowing up the filibuster, keeping Pelosi in charge—the list of mistakes is long.

Regrets? Delaware Sen. Chris Coons has a few—and not too few to mention. At the top of his list is his party’s decision in 2013 to blow up the filibuster for most presidential nominees.

“Many of us will regret that in this Congress,” a dejected Mr. Coons told CNN on Tuesday. “Because it would have been a terrific speed bump, potential emergency brake, to have in our system to slow down the confirmation of extreme nominees.”

Cue Sinatra and “My Way.” That’s how former Senate leader Harry Reid, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and President Obama ruled for eight years. They planned each charted course, each careful step. Now, they’re not finding it so amusing.

Mr. Coons is regretting giving up his tool to stop Donald Trump’s march of reformers. It’s a cabinet parade of charter-school-lovers, and law-and-order prosecutors and tax-cutters and ObamaCare-slayers, of the sort to give a good Delaware liberal night sweats. There was a day when not one of these nominees could have hoped to squeeze past a Senate filibuster. But Mr. Reid did it his way, and Mr. Trump keeps tweeting.

Former veep candidate Tim Kaine in October threatened that Republicans would be really, really sorry if they tried to use what filibuster tools were left against a Hillary Clinton Supreme Court nominee. If Republicans “stonewall,” then a “Democratic Senate majority will say we’re not going to let you thwart the law,” he declared in October. Incoming Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer is now regretting that belligerence, and insisting that the Supreme Court filibuster is inviolate, and that his party never did kill it, you know, and that should count for something, and . . . blah, blah, regrets.

It would be hard to stall the confirmation process, at least after Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s regretful September news conference, the one where she stood tall and hit Republicans for refusing to confirm Mr. Obama’s end-of-the-road nominee, Merrick Garland. “This is not just some TV show [like] ‘Eight is Enough.’ Eight is not enough on the United States Supreme Court,” she railed. She’s joined in regret by the activists behind those trendy Twitter campaigns: #weneednine. #doyourjob. Bring on Mr. Trump’s own Tweetbomb: #likeyousaid.

Mr. Schumer is also regretting those dozen interviews before the election, the ones he gave as he measured his majority-leader office curtains. He explained to Politico that his party was on the verge of electoral dominance and that this meant it would have “a mandate.” He elsewhere warned all those mulish Republicans that they’d have an obligation to work with his world-dominant party. “If we’re gridlocked for another four years, the anger and sourness in the land will make that of 2016 seem tame,” he lectured.

Some might describe electoral dominance as owning the White House, and the Senate, and the House, and 33 governorships and 68 (of 98) state legislative chambers. But Mr. Schumer now regrets his definition. In a recent ABC News story, he said Mr. Trump’s victory is “not a mandate” and that his Democratic Party remains free to “go after him tooth and nail.”

At least 11 senators, led by Oregon’s Jeff Merkley would appear to regret staying silent while Mr. Reid pioneered the art of hateful speech—routinely calling opponents un-American, tax cheats, liars, losers, tools, first-class rats, and embarrassments. How else to read the senators’ recent letter to Mr. Trump complaining that he’s a big meanie? Meanies do as meanies see, and Mr. Merkley never said a peep as Mr. Reid set a new low standard for public behavior.

House Democrats, those with a brain, now regret that they didn’t can Nancy Pelosi when they could—say, back in 2010. After the liberal Mrs. Pelosi was this week elected leader again, in a rout, Arizona Rep. Kyrsten Sinema complained, and not in a shy way, that her party was doubling down on its “failed strategy of recent years.” But Ms. Sinema did nothing two years ago when Mrs. Pelosi ran unopposed after her third-straight House loss.

The entire Democratic Party is regretting its call for masses of infrastructure, now that there are indications Mr. Trump won’t do it their way. It is regretting it refused to work with Republicans on important bills, now that it’s not likely to get asked.

More than a few Democrats are regretting listening to that piper of the alt-left, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who danced them into indefensible voting records. That regret was on display this week when—despite Ms. Warren having railed against a medical-innovation bill as a giveaway to Big Pharma that made her “gag”—every member of her Massachusetts delegation voted with House Republicans to pass it. In fact, 174 Democrats ignored Ms. Warren.

Let’s hope that’s because now—as the end is near, as Mr. Obama faces his final curtain—at least some have had their share (and fill) of losing. Maybe “my way” wasn’t so smart after all.


#3

No, and their base is digging in it’s heals as far as I can tell.

Their biggest problem is Obama. They thought his Rock Star status would carry the party, it didn’t. Make no mistake, he would have won a third term had he been allowed to run in 2016, based purely on his ability to campaign and give written speeches. But over all people are happy with HIM, and not his policy. It’s a convoluted picture to paint, but it’s there. There is a resounding rejection of his policy to the tune of a Cheato winning POTUS who said “grab em by the pussy”. But at the same time approval ratings are through the roof for a two term modern POTUS.

This isn’t a knock against Obama himself, but the party who thought that his status would carry them, and it isn’t the case.

The party’s attempt at intersectionality in the “oppression Olympics” is another thing that is hurting them, and may backfire long-term too. Whites are tired of being told they are evil by virtue of skin color, and the “he’s racist” crying wolf has all but taken any power out of that phrase. And I get the feeling minorities are getting tired of being treated like helpless children that can’t accomplish anything without the democrats there to be their representation in the world of “but muh grievance”.


#4

Talk about someone lost in their bubble. This dummy thinks the entire US has the same political make-up as Beacon Hill.

God I hope she falls off the face of the Earth and crawls back under whatever commie rock she used to live under soon.


#5

Great post, Puff and Beans. (H.R. Puff-in-Stuff…don’t know why I thought about that…childhood memories, I guess…!)

I think I said this in another post, Beans…many of my minority (mostly Black) friends ARE tired of being “represented by”, and being “spoken for” by the far LEFT.

And yes…they did…and would…support President Obama if he could still be President. Many even like Trump’s “in-your-face/Duane Chapman (“Dog”)” Style.

And many of them would kick a kids ass for protesting at school they were paying for because they needed a damn “Safe Space”… (Their words).

(NOTE: A large portion of the Black Vote, at least in their mind, that went to Hillary was in response to GOP/Conservative treatment of Obama over 8-plus years…again, their words).


#6

I dunno. I’m sure there will be some stalwarts, but most politicians are good at reading their constituents tea leaves. The next two years might be the time that sorts a lot of previously long standing elected officials out of the process.


#7

Beans; I think my Black Friends would probably say: :

NOW you know…shit doesn’t feel good, does it?”


#8

Fair enough. While I’ll not sign off on that treatment being skin color based and not “holy shit he’s a commie” based, I can see that perspective for sure.


#9

No. It’s horrid, and always has been horrid.

Blacks HAVE been systematically beaten down by our government, and have a whole lot of ground to cover between them and whites and immigrants that have been able to bring their culture and history with them.

That said, a few things:

  1. While the fact that anyone honestly thinks the phrase “black lives matter” needs to be expressed in contemporary society, means we have issues that need to be addressed. I’m not talking about people like “Talcum X” (Shaun King), I’m talking about everyday people who feel they are worth less based on the treatment they see.

This is an issue. We need to address it. I don’t think “BLM” the movement is really heading in the right direction, blocking highways and civil disruption. Something a little more akin to the “tea Party” would likely be more effective, and if their “demands” could be a wee bit less bat shit crazy and straight commie I think a lot more people would go along. (Also not picking people who punch cops as poster boys would help too.)

  1. For not having a culture when they were brought here, and being denied one, I don’t really think it’s that much of a stretch to say that Black America’s have done a damn good job since the turn of the 20th century. In music, art, sports and now American Politics, Black Americans have changed the damn world. That’s ignoring the contributions to the hard and soft sciences etc.

  2. Turning around and doing to others what you’re pissed about having done to you isn’t equality, not by any stretch.

  3. Things are better now, in that arena than they were. Let’s not lose sight of that as we move forward. I feel like a lot of people pretend it isn’t, just so they can justify their anger.


#10

I think Clinton was just a bad candidate. Does anyone think Sanders would have beaten Trump?


#11

Nah. Sanders has reached his own level of incompetence. He’s gone as far as he will ever go.


#12

No. Most of his supporters can’t even vote yet. The older ones will likely be employed if Sander’s is still alive in 4 years and decides to run again. That’s the problem socialism has in America. Mostly only dumb unemployed young people fall for it and many of them grow out of their stupidity between election cycles.


#13

So, you’re ignoring 2010 & 2014 then?

Wisconsin flipped because “Clinton was a bad candidate” to someone who said “grab em by the pussy?”

That seems unlikely.

No. Not enough batshit people in the US for that.

It would have been nice to see Blacks run to the Republicans though, because all Bernie won was whites, and young people.


#14

I don’t think Sanders would have won. He doesn’t cut the figure of commander in chief, and for a thousand other reasons.

Jim Webb would have won, and probably Martin O’Malley.


#15

I think she was unelectable because of all the baggage, and she was as likeable as a stiff kick in the balls. Many of my friends were Bernie fans and some refused to vote for her. I do agree that the democrats need to go back to a 50-state strategy.


#16

I agree with you about sanders and Jim Webb, but not sure what I think about O’malley.


#17

Some did - there are some wise voices out there recognizing exactly what happened - but the bigwigs? Learned nothing.


#18

I’m an old guy and many of my friends love him and none of them are stupid.


#19

No comment…


#20

Me neither, but he had a pretty solid on-paper resume and came off as reasonable. Unless he had major baggage, that may have been enough - it’s hard to see him losing to Trump.