Democrats for Bush

Thanks for the reply RSU.

I do apologize for sounding arrogant or mean spirited towards you. I must admit I probably could have stated my points a little more eloquently.

My intention was not to piss you off, which obviously I did. I am a good dot connector, but I am not a good communicator, Yet. I am working on this aspect of things.

One thing I would like to see happen is that the polarization of our world be diminished somewhat. If it is so strong here on the t-forums, think of how it must be for our soldiers in the middle east. You seem to be polarized to the left, yet you deny that you are. I simply thought that sometimes when someone is doing something that they don’t think they are, they can be shown that they are doing that thing objectively and re-asses what they are doing.

Again obviously I failed and am sorry I am also very young and still learning a ton as I go along. I hope you don’t have a mental picture of me being some old pipe smoking grey hair, sitting on a stack of books demeaning people all day.

I am just a young kid with a very open mind, with what I feel is a good ability to see the BIG picture. I’m sure many would disagree but that is what I hold to be true and that is how I make my desicions for my life.

One of the things that I do understand is that within our current system, there will be no great success. Either side could come up with a great way of doing things, actually i’m sure both already have. The problem is it isn’t going to work because the other side of the fence isn’t going to buy into the plan. They are going to spend all their time and energy into trying to deflate the current plan so they can run their own. But, as soon as they get the chance the other side will do the same thing.

We need to change individuals minds so that no matter what plan is in place, everyone put’s their effort into making the plan work. This way we will be 200% better off than our current way of doing things.

I apologize again for venting my frustrations on you.

Be well



As for why I may appear to be so far left - I am, largely. Most of my ideals of the role government should play fit more closely with leftist ideals. But, that doesn’t mean I won’t vote Rep. To me, the Bush administration is sooooooo far right that I object to him and his sooooooo much more than other possible Rep. presidents.


Thanks for your candor in this and other threads. Looking at your pedigree, I know it would be hard for you to support Republicans. You say you can, but you never really do. However, it is not impossible for you to see the other side’s arguments. You don’t have to vote your parents’ party line. I don’t mean this in a “reverse psychology” way, either. The beauty of the system is that no one, including your father/mother, Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, or myself will be in the voting booth with you. We won’t tell you what to do. Freedom to vote your conscience is a privilege that is very precious. It has been, and continues to be fought for. I think the highest civic duty we have is voting. Like anything worth having, it should be earned. I mean your choice should be well researched. This is my humble opinion. But, I feel very strongly about it.
In summary, when it is you and that piece of paper/computer screen in November, ask yourself, “Who do I trust?” Who will provide for the safety of my country? Who do I want representing us? Who will be the best custodian of our tax dollars? I support your right to disagree with me. My hope is that you have listened to the realities that are often present right below the surface in each party’s partisan soundbites.

If the question we should ask is “Who do I trust?”…then, I’ll be, one should never vote…But if it’s “Who do I trust least”…then the answer is Bush and my vote will go the other way.

I read today that Gee-Dub will be appearing before the 9/11 commission with Dickey C. by his side.


How do the Dems for Bush feel about this?


According to a new report, President Bush’s official campaign is selling
clothing made in Burma - a country whose goods Bush banned for sale in the
U.S. because of their awful human rights, narcotics and sex trafficking
record. According to Newsday, “the merchandise sold on includes a $49.95 fleece pullover, embroidered with the Bush-Cheney '04 logo and bearing a label stating it was made in
Burma, now Myanmar.” (1)

The decision by the president’s campaign to defy its own embargo
directly contradicts the president’s pledge to enforce existing trade laws. Just this week the president said Americans need to be “treated fairly” and pledged to “make sure the playing field is level” on trade. (2) But his decision to market Burmese textile products evades laws that prevent American workers from having to compete with Burmese workers who have no minimum wage, human rights or labor protections. Since Bush was elected, thousands of textile jobs have been lost – particularly in the South - and many have questioned whether the Administration is adequately enforcing trade laws. (3)

On top of evading his own trade laws, the president’s effective
endorsement of Burmese goods means his campaign is marketing products from a
country the State Department has repeatedly condemned for human rights abuses (4) and that the Treasury Department has cited for laundering money from illegal narcotics dealers (5). Just last year, the president told the United Nations it needed to more seriously address international sex slavery, saying, “there’s a special evil in the abuse and exploitation of the most innocent and vulnerable.” (6) But his own campaign is now marketing products from a country that experts cite as one of the leaders in international sex trafficking. (7)


  1. “Bush campaign gear made in Burma”, Newsday, 03/18/2004,
  2. “President Discusses Health Access”, 03/16/2004,
  3. “4,000 textile jobs lost in 2003”, Charleston Post and Courier,
  4. Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: Burma, US Department of State,02/25/2004,
  5. States News Service, 03/04/2004.
  6. “President Bush Addresses United Nations General Assembly”,
  7. “Factbook on Global Sexual Exploitation: Burma/Myanmar”,

Moisture, I just wanted to applaude
you for winning all of your discussion
groups against those nasty democrats.
It is a testament to your great and broad intellect.

I really believe that with
the zest and zeel that you
have for the current course
of action the administration
is taking, you should make haste
to get to a recruiting station.

With the conviction you have
combined with the great ability
to gather data and intelligence
you would make a great soldier,
and you should be putting your
talents to use where they would
do more good…

Lets all go out on a good note by saying that you should vote what you think is right; regardless what any body else says. I wish you good luck in your voting and pray that your vote is guided by knowledge and not ignorance. RLTW

-When in doubt, flip it to burst.


Though we may have differing
political views I respect your
viewpoint and the way you present it.

If you have to go back over there
I will hope that you return safely!


Right before the fall of the roman empire there was power play after power play to be the top dog. Several cycles of this really hurt the romans and eventually led to their collapse. Basically the empire split into opposing factions and none of them worked together for the good of rome even though they all claimed that is what they were doing. Hrmmm similarities with our country now?

I don’t care what side of the fence you guys are on, if you take any part in partisan politics you are in part going to be responsible for our downfall. Don’t beleive me but you will someday.

Think of what the word partisan means? per websters.

  1. a firm adherent to a party , faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance

2)a : a member of a body of detached light troops making forays and harassing an enemy
b : a member of a guerrilla band operating within enemy lines

None of these definitions reads, Helpful to the country.

It has been brought to my attention that my previous post, regarding Burmese clothing, may be misleading. Apparently, the items in question were a fairly small amount of a pullover sweater, and apparently they were produced before the embargo was put in place.

I don’t think this takes away from the point too much, however, but of course you should make up your own mind.

I also didn’t intend to post this article as another argument against the evils of the GWB admin., but just to be informative and to hear what my Rep. compadres had to say about it.

Question: Should the attire the President sells with the name of his administration on it be made in the US, or does it not matter?

Thanks, Elkhntr1. Even though we have disagreed politically in the past, I have always respected your opinions. If I had said anything rash in previous replies, I apologize. I have always enjoyed you posts and I look forward to hearing from you in the future. Thank you for the well-wishing, and good luck in voting. RLTW

-When in doubt, flip it to burst.


It would be nice if it were that is for sure. I do not think it is a real issue when deciding if he is a good president however. I’m sure he doesn’t have much input on his clothing line. It would be kinda like him drinking french wine and not californian wine. I’m sure he doesn’t go to the store himself and buy his own wine. Interesting nonetheless.

well said moisture. all i have to say is this is the third year i have actually received a tax refund. each year being better then the last. i feel bush is honest and caring. his tears on 9/12 were honest and genuine. he vowed to hunt down and punish the terrorist. he is truly a man of his word. he is a man of conviction. he will not let an election stop him from his promise. he will not stop until my children and his have a better world for us to live in. it is refreshing to have a role model in the white house. remember folks, this crap was left to us by our previous generations. are we going to leave it to our children? i would sacrifice myself in a second for my children!

President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief

March 31, 2004

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then Governor Bush said: “I think credibility is important. It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations.” But President Bush’s serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY…“So, creating a Cabinet office doesn’t solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn’t solve anything.” [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

…BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY “So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people.” [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

2. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION…“We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories?for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.” [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

…BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN’T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION “David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven’t found stockpiles yet, and there’s theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we’ll find out.” [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

3. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE… “I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue.” [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

…BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE “In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection.” [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

4. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE… “I want justice. And there’s an old poster out West, I recall, that says, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive.’” [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

…BUSH DOESN’T CARE ABOUT OSAMA “I don’t know where he is. I have no idea and I really don’t care. It’s not that important.” [President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

5. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE… “[If elected], Governor Bush will work to establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide.” [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

…BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE “I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a ‘pollutant’ under the Clean Air Act.” [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

6. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE… “The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency.” [NY Times, 1/29/04]

…BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE “Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.” [President Bush, 2/6/04]

7. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION… “President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11.” [CBS News, 5/23/02]

…BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION “President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.” [ABC News, 09/20/02]

8. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION… “President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.” [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

…BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION “The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work.” [CNN, 2/4/04]

9. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR… “President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel’s top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday.” [NY Times, 2/26/04]

…BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY “The president’s going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody’s watching the clock.” [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

10. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE… “The state can do what they want to do. Don’t try to trap me in this state’s issue like you’re trying to get me into.” [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

…BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE “Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife.” [President Bush, 2/24/04]

11. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING… “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.” [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

…BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING “We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people.” [President Bush, 3/6/03]

12. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM… “You can’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror.” [President Bush, 9/25/02]

…BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT “We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11.” [President Bush, 9/17/03]

13. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT… “No matter what the whip count is, we’re calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It’s time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam.” [President Bush 3/6/03]

…BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE “At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written.” [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

14. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS… “Well, we’ve tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn’t all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area.” [President Bush, 04/05/02]

…BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS “If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I’m committed to working toward peace in the Middle East.” [President Bush, 5/23/03]

15. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD… “George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold…as an infringement on free expression.” [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

…BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW? “[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law.” [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold singing ceremony, 03/27/02]

"well said moisture. all i have to say is this is the third year i have actually received a tax refund. each year being better then the last. i feel bush is honest and caring. his tears on 9/12 were honest and genuine. he vowed to hunt down and punish the terrorist. he is truly a man of his word. he is a man of conviction. he will not let an election stop him from his promise. he will not stop until my children and his have a better world for us to live in. it is refreshing to have a role model in the white house. remember folks, this crap was left to us by our previous generations. are we going to leave it to our children? i would sacrifice myself in a second for my children! "

Yeah, quite a role model.

Does anyone actually like Bush?

LOL, good post.

Some people actually have a brain and see the war as a priority, you know. That’s why people support Bush.


I am one of the liberal pussies your
nice little poster was referring
to. I am also a veteran of the
first Gulf war. Now to anyone who
who portrays such bravery and is
so ready to put anyone down who
does not agree with them, I ask
you have you served or are you
serving now.

Because if you have not, put
your money where your mouth is
and get to a recruiting station,
so you can start protecting us!


Thank you for your service.

No, I am not serving and do not plan to. I would serve if I was really needed, though. I would be scared shitless, but I would.

My point is I don’t like people saying they’ll vote for Kerry because of stupid issues like jobs when there is something that is extremely important to the future of this country - that is, the war we are currently in. Bush is doing a great job, and I only see Kerry screwing it up. I do NOT want to see that happen.

It makes me mad that people seem to think jobs is the biggest issue in the upcomming election when the future of our country is at stake with this war!

Not to mention it isn’t the president’s job to create jobs.