On the main idea of this thread, does anyone from Texas actually think DeLay is in any danger whatsoever of losing his seat in an electoral challenge?
Maybe he would just get sick of all the media abuse and step down as Newt did, but does anyone really think he would lose an election? I find that idea a bit incredulous unless they nail him for doing something other than violating internal House rules.
DeLay attacks taken personally
I like that conservatives are demanding support:
…"Morton Blackwell, Republican National Committee member from Virginia and a member of ACU’s board, said Republicans are being told support for Mr. DeLay is mandatory if they want future support from conservatives.
“Conservative leaders across the country are working now to make sure that any politician who hopes to have conservative support in the future had better be in the forefront as we attack those who attack Tom DeLay,” he said.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
On the main idea of this thread, does anyone from Texas actually think DeLay is in any danger whatsoever of losing his seat in an electoral challenge?
Maybe he would just get sick of all the media abuse and step down as Newt did, but does anyone really think he would lose an election? I find that idea a bit incredulous unless they nail him for doing something other than violating internal House rules.[/quote]
He won’t lose any election down here anytime soon. “Politics is local”, as Tip used to say - and he’s got his distrcit drawn perfectly. Not that that is a bad thing. It’s more of a whiny press than DeLay’s misdeeds that is fueling this uproar.
Compared to the shenanigans pulled by Jim Wright, and ‘Rosty’, DeLay is a choir boy.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
On the main idea of this thread, does anyone from Texas actually think DeLay is in any danger whatsoever of losing his seat in an electoral challenge?
Maybe he would just get sick of all the media abuse and step down as Newt did, but does anyone really think he would lose an election? I find that idea a bit incredulous unless they nail him for doing something other than violating internal House rules.[/quote]
Like many other things that the press reports on, the reality is probably quite a bit different.
Delay will probably be reelected for as long as he has a desire to serve, inspite of the liberal medias best efforts.
GOP insiders continue to give up the goods on Delay!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28319-2005Apr5.html
…" A six-day trip to Moscow in 1997 by then-House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) was underwritten by business interests lobbying in support of the Russian government, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the trip arrangements.
DeLay reported that the trip was sponsored by a Washington-based nonprofit organization. But interviews with those involved in planning DeLay’s trip say the expenses were covered by a mysterious company registered in the Bahamas that also paid for an intensive $440,000 lobbying campaign…
It is unclear precisely how the money was transferred from the Bahamian-registered company to the nonprofit.
Delay may be ethically challenged and morally inconsistant, but at least he’s generous with the family:
Political Groups Paid Two Relatives of House Leader
WASHINGTON, April 5 - The wife and daughter of Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, have been paid more than $500,000 since 2001 by Mr. DeLay’s political action and campaign committees, according to a detailed review of disclosure statements filed with the Federal Election Commission and separate fund-raising records in Mr. DeLay’s home state, Texas.
Most of the payments to his wife, Christine A. DeLay, and his only child, Dani DeLay Ferro, were described in the disclosure forms as “fund-raising fees,” “campaign management” or “payroll,” with no additional details about how they earned the money. The payments appear to reflect what Mr. DeLay’s aides say is the central role played by the majority leader’s wife and daughter in his political career.
Mr. DeLay’s national political action committee, Americans for a Republican Majority, or Armpac, said in a statement on Tuesday that the two women had provided valuable services to the committee in exchange for the payments: “Mrs. DeLay provides big picture, long-term strategic guidance and helps with personnel decisions. Ms. Ferro is a skilled and experienced professional event planner who assists Armpac in arranging and organizing individual events.”
Mrs. Ferro has managed several of her father’s re-election campaigns for his House seat.
His spokesman said that Mr. DeLay had no additional comment. Although several members of Congress employ family members as campaign managers or on their political action committees, advocacy groups seeking an overhaul of federal campaign-finance and ethics laws say that the payments to Mr. DeLay’s family members were unusually generous, and should be the focus of new scrutiny of the Texas congressman.
Note how insiders went to WAPO with the details in the first story!
Lastly Bloomberg piles on:
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=nifea&&sid=at9zpiR3e9vo
DeLay’s Former Aides Building Lobbying Empires in Washington
April 6 (Bloomberg) – One of the surest paths to riches in Washington is to have these five words on a resume: ``Office of Representative Tom DeLay.‘’
Eleven lobbyists who once worked for the Texas Republican and House majority leader helped bring in at least $45 million in fees for their firms in the past two years. By comparison, former aides of House Speaker Dennis Hastert lobbying during that period helped bring in about $2.1 million.
Along the way, Delay’s former assistants have aided clients such as ChevronTexaco Corp., Wyeth and Reynolds American Inc. in achieving legislative victories. They have also given DeLay the kind of Washington-insider clout he once criticized when Democrats were in power.
Like the Democrats of the late 1980s and early 1990s, DeLay is under fire now. Lobbyists with ties to the House majority leader have sparked investigations by two Senate committees.
This is very damaging for the political system,'' said Amo Houghton, a Republican who represented a congressional district in upstate New York for 18 years before retiring in January. It doesn’t help the Republican Party. It doesn’t help anybody in politics.‘’
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
On the main idea of this thread, does anyone from Texas actually think DeLay is in any danger whatsoever of losing his seat in an electoral challenge?
Maybe he would just get sick of all the media abuse and step down as Newt did, but does anyone really think he would lose an election? I find that idea a bit incredulous unless they nail him for doing something other than violating internal House rules.[/quote]
Despite Zeb’s and Rainjack’s faking, support for Delay is dwindling, see:
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/11303329.htm
HOUSTON - Support for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has slipped in his district, and a majority of voters surveyed disapprove of his decision to lead Congress into the Terri Schiavo case, according to a Houston Chronicle poll.
Forty-five percent of 501 voters questioned last week said they would vote for someone else if a congressional election were at hand, while about 38 percent said they would re-elect DeLay.
The powerful Texas Republican maintained that his constituents backed his decision to take Congress into the dispute over whether to keep the severely brain-damaged woman alive. But nearly 58 percent of those surveyed said they opposed his decision, while about 33 percent expressed support.
“There seems to be no question that there has been an erosion in support for the congressman,” said John Zogby, whose company Zogby International conducted the poll. “These are not good re-election numbers.”
DeLay spokesman Dan Allen defended the congressman’s record.
Voters have been electing DeLay for more than 20 years “because he’s getting things done for the area. He’s also earned their support because they know he’s guided by principles not polls,” Allen said Sunday.
DeLay, who has been admonished three times by the House Ethics Committee, won his 11th term in 2004 with 55 percent of the vote, his lowest share ever. The poll findings come about a year-and-a-half before he faces re-election.
Note that he won last time by 55% to an unknown Dem. Also his own district is not drawn as perfectly as one would think, as 30 percent of voters are new to Delay.
I love the polling data that the left feels compelled to ejaculate when it supports their views.
The ONLY trouble Delay will have in his district wrt re-election is the primaries. Tom gets through the primaries, and he’ll be back in Washington, hopefully pissing off even more lefties than now.
100meters, do you do anything with your days except trawl the left wing blogs looking for stuff to bash conservatives with? BTW, the Washington Post etc are pretty much lib blogs these days.
I picture you sitting there rubbing your hands together, giggling and snorting…“Yeeee-esss” Yeeee-essss! Oh my god Oh my god" with each anti republican word.
When will you guys get it? The libs/democrats have no agenda except attacking the other side. That’s why you guys lose all the time. If you spent this much time trying to formulate better plans, you might be prospering.
I really do enjoy reading this area of T-mag. It is especially enjoyable to see people work so damn hard to support the politicians who are “on their side.”
Wrong is wrong. Take off your republican/democrat tinged glasses for a clearer picture of the world.
It occurs to me that politics has replaced sports as a place where “fan(atic)s” can blindly root, root, root for their own party (team). What a friggin joke.
Tuesday, April 5, 2005 11:00 a.m. EDT
Nancy Pelosi’s Ethics Questioned
In what pundits are calling a quid pro quo for her hard line on the ethics of House Majority Leader Tom Delay, R-Texas, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is under fire for an adviser?s nine-day, $4,475 junket to Spain and Germany last April, a trip primarily paid for by a nonprofit transportation-research organization Pelosi had helped to secure Federal Transit Administration monies, according to a report in the Washington Times.
The trip is fodder for some Republicans, who say Pelosi and others have been going overboard when criticizing DeLay on ethics charges.
“Given the actions of the minority leader vis-a-vis the majority leader and other Republicans, I?m having a little trouble finding where the outrage is coming from these groups that continue to pound on Republican members,” a senior Republican lawmaker said on the condition of anonymity.
Although the Pelosi camp has issued a statement maintaining that the disputed trip was within House rules, the anonymous lawmaker told the Times that nothing distinguished Pelosi?s actions from those of DeLay and other Republicans that she has criticized.
“I think the minority leader ought to be subject to the same type of scrutiny as other members,” he said, adding that the questions about Mrs. Pelosi rise to the point of an ethics complaint.
Apparently there was little attempt at subterfuge ? with WestStart-CALSTART announcing just before the trip that Pelosi had helped the group secure $1 million from the Federal Transit Administration for a bus rapid-transit program. Furthermore, a month after the adviser?s trip, the group dispatched a press release thanking her for a $2 million grant for a fuel-cell program.
According to campaign records revealed by the Times report, WestStart-CALSTART Chief Executive Officer John R. Boesel also gave $1,000 to one of Pelosi?s political action committees in 2003 and $1,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Boesel said there is no link between the staffer?s trip and the grants, noting that Pelosi had backed his projects for more than a decade. Boesel also emphasized that the programs in question have drawn support from both parties and that his political donations have been divvied up to both parties.
Despite such disclaimers, Ken Boehm, chairman of the conservative National Legal and Policy Center, which has targeted Pelosi?s campaign fund-raising in the past, said, "I think it looks like she?s doing legislative favors for donors because she is."
The controversy arises as Republicans mount an offensive against what they think is a coordinated attack by Pelosi and allied groups on DeLay.
I would prefer that there be no campaign contributions allowed period.
Close down K Street and get real, honest Americans elected.
I use to be behind the GOP. I thought they would cut spending and run a surplus to keep interest rates low and keep cutting my taxes.
The taxes cuts helped me the first year but my local and real estate taxes have gotten raised each and every year and now I pay more total taxes then I ever did.
Politicans suck and could careless about anyone.
Whatever happened to that contract with America.
Why does the party in power become radical?
I will never give another cent to any politican the rest of my life as that is like giving dope to a dope fiend.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
When will you guys get it? The libs/democrats have no agenda except attacking the other side. That’s why you guys lose all the time. If you spent this much time trying to formulate better plans, you might be prospering.[/quote]
No agenda? Not sure if this is faking or not, How many more agendas can Dems currently have? Energy Independence? Fixing healthcare? Saving social security? Balancing the budget? Prosecuting war profiteering? Your kidding yourself if you don’t think all of these don’t have huge support from all kinds of americans!
If you haven’t noticed, the president’s main agenda, the thing he’s spending his “political capitol” on is destroying social security. That’s a great plan! And americans hate the idea! While dems are trying to come up with a new new deal, one to help the US to compete in this globalized economy, the president is trying to dismantle parts of the old new deal!Brilliant Joe! This is after the last great plan HUGE TAX CUTS to stimulate job growth! That one worked like gangbusters Joe! By 2005 it worked so well that Bush was approaching 1 net job! Well at least some of it will trickle down, but oh wait millions more of your fellow americans are in poverty now! Damn great planning Joe! The least we can do is make it harder for them to declare bankruptcy (including hard-up vets) and continue to do nothing to help with health-care costs! All of this requires great planning and tremendous ambition Joe! While were at it let’s cut job training and funding for education in science so american workers are less likely to be able to compete in the new world! Whew! The incredible ambition of conservatives!
[quote]100meters wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
When will you guys get it? The libs/democrats have no agenda except attacking the other side. That’s why you guys lose all the time. If you spent this much time trying to formulate better plans, you might be prospering.
No agenda? Not sure if this is faking or not, How many more agendas can Dems currently have? Energy Independence? Fixing healthcare? Saving social security? Balancing the budget? Prosecuting war profiteering? Your kidding yourself if you don’t think all of these don’t have huge support from all kinds of americans!
If you haven’t noticed, the president’s main agenda, the thing he’s spending his “political capitol” on is destroying social security. That’s a great plan! And americans hate the idea! While dems are trying to come up with a new new deal, one to help the US to compete in this globalized economy, the president is trying to dismantle parts of the old new deal!Brilliant Joe! This is after the last great plan HUGE TAX CUTS to stimulate job growth! That one worked like gangbusters Joe! By 2005 it worked so well that Bush was approaching 1 net job! Well at least some of it will trickle down, but oh wait millions more of your fellow americans are in poverty now! Damn great planning Joe! The least we can do is make it harder for them to declare bankruptcy (including hard-up vets) and continue to do nothing to help with health-care costs! All of this requires great planning and tremendous ambition Joe! While were at it let’s cut job training and funding for education in science so american workers are less likely to be able to compete in the new world! Whew! The incredible ambition of conservatives![/quote]
Energy independence? Really? Saving social security? You mean standing in the way of reform, don’t you?
Health care? Oh boy…yeah, Hillary-care.
Great.
What war profiteering? If you’re about to say “Halliburton”, let’s remember that Bill Clinton gave them lucrative contracts. Because there’s no one else in the business.
And the dems don’t have support from all kinds of Americans–which should be obvious given the number of elections they keep losing.
What else…let’s see…the polls are up for the presidents ss plan, even the dems have now admitted there’s a problem–ceding the playing field back to GWB.
The new deal deserves to be dismantled.
You’re just not paying attention to reality, are you?
In the House majority rules. Tom Delay, as is with any majority leader, can pretty much do whatever the fuck he pleases, pissing off as many in the minority as he pleases. Its the institution of Congress. The minority party can’t really push forth an agenda under strict party government, as we currently have. That also answers the above question of why majority parties become so radical.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
100meters wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
When will you guys get it? The libs/democrats have no agenda except attacking the other side. That’s why you guys lose all the time. If you spent this much time trying to formulate better plans, you might be prospering.
No agenda? Not sure if this is faking or not, How many more agendas can Dems currently have? Energy Independence? Fixing healthcare? Saving social security? Balancing the budget? Prosecuting war profiteering? Your kidding yourself if you don’t think all of these don’t have huge support from all kinds of americans!
If you haven’t noticed, the president’s main agenda, the thing he’s spending his “political capitol” on is destroying social security. That’s a great plan! And americans hate the idea! While dems are trying to come up with a new new deal, one to help the US to compete in this globalized economy, the president is trying to dismantle parts of the old new deal!Brilliant Joe! This is after the last great plan HUGE TAX CUTS to stimulate job growth! That one worked like gangbusters Joe! By 2005 it worked so well that Bush was approaching 1 net job! Well at least some of it will trickle down, but oh wait millions more of your fellow americans are in poverty now! Damn great planning Joe! The least we can do is make it harder for them to declare bankruptcy (including hard-up vets) and continue to do nothing to help with health-care costs! All of this requires great planning and tremendous ambition Joe! While were at it let’s cut job training and funding for education in science so american workers are less likely to be able to compete in the new world! Whew! The incredible ambition of conservatives!
Energy independence? Really? Saving social security? You mean standing in the way of reform, don’t you?
Health care? Oh boy…yeah, Hillary-care.
Great.
What war profiteering? If you’re about to say “Halliburton”, let’s remember that Bill Clinton gave them lucrative contracts. Because there’s no one else in the business.
And the dems don’t have support from all kinds of Americans–which should be obvious given the number of elections they keep losing.
What else…let’s see…the polls are up for the presidents ss plan, even the dems have now admitted there’s a problem–ceding the playing field back to GWB.
The new deal deserves to be dismantled.
You’re just not paying attention to reality, are you?
[/quote]
Your point dems have no agenda, mine dems have lots of agendas. You don’t like them, that’s fine, but how’s about the whys for once. Energy independence, yes really. Social Security—you can’t even really be serious on this one can you? If social security is going bankrupt in 40 or 50 years based on future economic growth predictions of 1.8 percent Joe, then how in the holy hell are private accounts going to make any money. I invest Joe, and have basically been treading water for the past 5 years and the economy is growing at more than 1.8 percent. If the economy grows at 1.8 the last place on earth you’d want your money to be is in the market! Fixing S.S. is a math problem easily solved (If it needs to even be solved–do you think 1.8 is realistic? And note the president changes the predicted rate of growth when it comes to private accounts–2.5 I think, why would he do that Joe?) Even when and if social security goes “flat bust” it’ll still be paying more than the privatized plan–really a no-brainer right Joe, so you can see Dems are actually trying to save your social security, which is good!
War profiteering? Clinton gave Haliburton contracts…your point is? If Clinton was getting hosed by them, then I’d expect him to get my cash back. What’s weird is that if Bush is president you don’t care! Isn’t it still your money, our money Joe. If 9 billion goes missing, why don’t you or the president want to find out where it went? Of course it’s not just Haliburton but other companies like Custer/Battles who are basically just stealing from you and me. And with no “agenda” to prosecute you can expect it to continue. By the way even some conservatives want to investigate this, and hey you remember Truman a dem with a dem congress launched a huge investigation into war profiteering, think it’ll happen with our current residents?
Healthcare? Joe 2/3 of the country supports universal healthcare even if it means a raise in taxes. “Hillary’s” plan wasn’t great, but you know why your conservatives hate fixing healthcare right Joe? Because if dems passed healthcare reform, who the hell would vote for republicans or as Bill Kristol warned Republicans back in '93:
“Its success ‘will re-legitimize middle-class dependence for ‘security’ on government spending and regulation,’ he wrote. 'It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle-class by restraining government.”
Reminds me of the current s.s. debate. Do you seriously think Bush is going to even try to bring down healthcare costs Joe? No, my insurance premium is GOING to go up another 15 percent next year and my tax dollars are going to pay for even more millions of people who can’t afford another premium increase. Yes Joe, healthcare is a democratic agenda.
The new deal dismantled better phrased why does Joe hate America?
I’m prepared for Joe’s totally non factual rebuttal.
“He is an absolute embarrassment to me and to the Republican Party,” U.S. Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Bridgeport, told more than 50 Greenwich residents yesterday morning at Town Hall"
More and more distancing from Delay, but of course some here will continue to blame the so-called liberal media. Hilarious.
“Do I think Tom DeLay will be the majority leader by the end of this term? No,” Shays went on to say. “I don’t think Tom DeLay is going to survive.”
Also Delay golfing buddy Abramoff is pretty pissed too(I guess the so-called liberal media must be influencing him too):
April 18 issue - Jack Abramoff was somber, bitter and feeling betrayed. Once a Washington superlobbyist, Abramoff is now the target of a Justice Department criminal probe of allegations that he defrauded American Indian tribes of tens of millions of dollars in fees. As stories of his alleged excess dribble out?including the emergence of e-mails showing he derisively referred to his Native American clients as “monkeys” and “idiots”?some of Abramoff’s old friends have abandoned him and treated him like a pariah. They claim they knew nothing of his questionable lobbying tactics. So last week, glumly sitting at his corner table at Signatures, the tony downtown restaurant he owns that remains his last redoubt, Abramoff lashed out in frustration.
“Everybody is lying,” Abramoff told a former colleague. There are e-mails and records that will implicate others, he said. He was noticeably caustic about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. For years, nobody on Washington’s K Street corridor was closer to DeLay than Abramoff. They were an unlikely duo. DeLay, a conservative Christian, and Abramoff, an Orthodox Jew, traveled the world together and golfed the finest courses. Abramoff raised hundreds of thousands for DeLay’s political causes and hired DeLay’s aides, or kicked them business, when they left his employ. But now DeLay, too, has problems?in part because of overseas trips allegedly paid for by Abramoff’s clients. In response, DeLay and his aides have said repeatedly they were unaware of Abramoff’s behind-the-scenes financing role. “Those S.O.B.s,” Abramoff said last week about DeLay and his staffers, according to his luncheon companion. “DeLay knew everything. He knew all the details.”
article:
It’s weird that Rainjack, Zeb, and Joe, all think Delay’s a respectable, clean as a whistle guy, But his friends, republican congressman, and republican insiders going to the media completely disagree, and yet they blame their made-up liberal media? Weird how that works, it’s almost like a cognitive dissonance.
[quote]jnd wrote:
I really do enjoy reading this area of T-mag. It is especially enjoyable to see people work so damn hard to support the politicians who are “on their side.”
Wrong is wrong. Take off your republican/democrat tinged glasses for a clearer picture of the world.
It occurs to me that politics has replaced sports as a place where “fan(atic)s” can blindly root, root, root for their own party (team). What a friggin joke.[/quote]
Nice try, but it won’t happen.
[quote]100meters wrote:
It’s weird that Rainjack, Zeb, and Joe, all think Delay’s a respectable, clean as a whistle guy, But his friends, republican congressman, and republican insiders going to the media completely disagree, and yet they blame their made-up liberal media? Weird how that works, it’s almost like a cognitive dissonance.[/quote]
Show me wher I have ever said that Delay is “clean as a whistle”. Go ahead. Show me.
Compared to the ass-clowns that you worship: Gin-nosed Ted, Sheets Byrd, Rostenkowski, Jim Wright, Bill Clinton, AlGore, et. al - I would say Delay is a choir boy. I don’t think he is ‘clean as a whistle’, but name me one politician that is. And don’t go down Dean Street, name a politician who has actually won on the national stage.
I love the way in which you feel compelled to insult and belittle several of us conservatives in each of your posts. It must mean that we’re doing something right if it irritates you to such a degree.
I wonder what it could be that causes this irritation? Maybe it’s that you are 0-fer the 21 century in elections. Maybe it’s because your party is on life support, and you need someone to blame.
But by all means, pleaase continue your obsession with Delay, and the rest of the right wing. Continue to frame your arguments around what the winners are doing. You’ll keep losing as you have the last six elections. You’ll lose more seats in '06. You’ll ensure another Republican Whitehouse. And by January 2009, there will be no need to worry about a filibuster, as the left -wing will hold less than 35 seats in the Senate.
Were I on the losing side as often as you, I would quit nit-picking at the misdeads of Delay and start trying to figure out a way to win a freakin election.
But then again, maybe your just exhibiting signs of your own ‘cognative disonance’.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:
It’s weird that Rainjack, Zeb, and Joe, all think Delay’s a respectable, clean as a whistle guy, But his friends, republican congressman, and republican insiders going to the media completely disagree, and yet they blame their made-up liberal media? Weird how that works, it’s almost like a cognitive dissonance.
Show me wher I have ever said that Delay is “clean as a whistle”. Go ahead. Show me.
Compared to the ass-clowns that you worship: Gin-nosed Ted, Sheets Byrd, Rostenkowski, Jim Wright, Bill Clinton, AlGore, et. al - I would say Delay is a choir boy. I don’t think he is ‘clean as a whistle’, but name me one politician that is. And don’t go down Dean Street, name a politician who has actually won on the national stage.
I love the way in which you feel compelled to insult and belittle several of us conservatives in each of your posts. It must mean that we’re doing something right if it irritates you to such a degree.
I wonder what it could be that causes this irritation? Maybe it’s that you are 0-fer the 21 century in elections. Maybe it’s because your party is on life support, and you need someone to blame.
But by all means, pleaase continue your obsession with Delay, and the rest of the right wing. Continue to frame your arguments around what the winners are doing. You’ll keep losing as you have the last six elections. You’ll lose more seats in '06. You’ll ensure another Republican Whitehouse. And by January 2009, there will be no need to worry about a filibuster, as the left -wing will hold less than 35 seats in the Senate.
Were I on the losing side as often as you, I would quit nit-picking at the misdeads of Delay and start trying to figure out a way to win a freakin election.
But then again, maybe your just exhibiting signs of your own ‘cognative disonance’.
[/quote]
I think statements like:
What is it about strong forceful Republican leadership that scares the bejeezus out of the press?
The more the press takes pot-shots at Delay, the more I think he’s right.
hint that other than being “forceful” nothing else is wrong with Delay. Also statements like: “choir boy”.
You’ve mentioned or hinted at Byrd’s statements on “white niggers” , and also you’ve mentioned “Rosty”, and Jim Wright, all of whom were wrong in their actions, but you totally fake ignorance on Delay (or blame the press). I started the thread not to bash all conservatives, but because I thought a trend on the right was developing to distance itself from Delay, which it is now obviously doing.
It is because you and a couple others seem to be intellectually dishonest that I pointed you out, the whole point of the tread is conservatives are doing him in (my opinion) and I’ve posted articles confirming that. You could still be conservative and call a spade a spade right? I mean the guy got junkets from russian lobbyists that also worked with Milosevic, and Delay got conservatives to vote against Clinton on the Bosnian war—you know, he sided with the enemy for golf trips!(In Russia!) He’s been admonished how many times for ethics? Changed the ethical rules put there by Repubs because of people like “Rosty”? And you’re saying choir boy and wondering what causes the “irritation” in me, the WSJ, and conservatives like Chris Shays who is demanding his resignation! That’s why I say cognitive dissonance! And yes you won! That I can’t debate.
[quote]100meters wrote:
I think statements like:
What is it about strong forceful Republican leadership that scares the bejeezus out of the press? [/quote]
And that proves I think Delay is ‘clean as a whistle’? Okie dokie. You are using a very, very wide brush to do your dot connecting
Once again I never said he was innocent, or ‘clean as a whistle’. I root for Delay like you root for the villianous hero in a Tarantino flick. Delay is giving the press and elitists fits. And I applaud him for his efforts, but please stop putting words in my mouth.
Once again - where is it I say he is ‘clean as a whistle’? Compared to those from the left that have preceded him, Delay is a choir boy. Quit playing out of the Dem strategy guide, and leave my quotes in their context.
When there is enough evidence to make a prosecutable case against Delay, then maybe I will jump on the ‘Kill Delay’ bandwagon you seem all to excited to be driving. But don’t hold your breath. Now please don’t go taking this out of context - as you are want to do. If he’s found guilty by a jury of his peers, then he should face whatever punishment he has coming to him. Just because a bored press corps and jealous congressmen are crying for the rope - does not mean a damn thing to me, nor to Tom Delay.
I think the same ‘trend’ developed when Newt was on his way out. It wasn’t about guilt or innocence, but power. Delay has it and others want it.
I’m not ignorant, nor am I ‘faking ignorant’. Labels, labels, labels…what’s the next one for me? Bigot? Sexist? Stupid? I’m sure you have a sack full of labels you’ve tried before. Just a hint - they won’t stick on me either.