Defund the Police! Wait, Bring Them Back!

She said it, but whether she believes it, I don’t know. On the one hand, is it possible she could be that stupid? On the other, what would her endgame be in making a claim like that?

Personally, I think there is this heterosexual male hating thought at work. The whole patriarchy and how all of the evil in the world is because of testosterone. The police are a “masculine” entity. Not just because it is mostly men, but because it stands for law and order and other values we associate with masculinity. These whatever wave feminists, LGBQT activists, Marxist, critical race theory, intersectional, post-modern, etc., are not about equality but a transfer of power from heterosexual men (and that includes all races, btw) to everyone else (the people heterosexual men have oppressed for thousands of years). We have a term, toxic masculinity, but not the reverse for women. Mansplaining. These could be seen as a form of bigotry against men. They dehumanize and degrade. Note that “The Squad” is all women.

Not really disagreeing with anything in that post.

My question is: what solutions are these communities proposing? If they aren’t proposing any solutions, or those programs aren’t working, why not try programs created outside those communities? Not every solution MUST come from the folks affected by the problem.

I use the term “femplaining” when my fiance unjustly blames men/patriarchy/etc for challenges she faces.

The Wendy’s employees tried to get him to move so we have to assume a social worker would have been able to get him to move? A man with a violent criminal history would not have assaulted a social worker?

No. They make violent felons, who were criminals before they were adults, and are out on parole, nervous to the point they, wait for it, get violent and make another poor choice in a lifetime defined by poor choices.

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What do these situations have to do with people shooting each other? And how would social workers handle a shooting?

Sounds like a case for the right to bear arms. You can’t stop them from committing crimes so at the very least you should be able to defend yourself. But at least the police could investigate crimes and charge people, rather than a bunch of useless talk from social workers.

The cop would have got tased, the guy would have taken his gun, and if the social worker tried to get involved he would get shot.

He was sleeping in a drive thru, I’m surprised someone else didn’t attack him before the cops showed up.

I don’t know how the laws work in the US, but over here if you are in possession of the keys and in the driver’s seat while drunk you can get charged.

Do you support legalizing drunk driving? What are social workers gong to do about it, refer people to AA?

As for the whole police issue, my opinion is that some sort of reforms to policing would be a good idea, but defunding or abolishing the police is not the way to go. You have two opposite extremes in this debate, the defund/abolish crowd and those who stand by the police no matter what they do, both are wrong. What you need is responsible policing, the cops can’t be simultaneously breaking laws while enforcing the law, and if you get rid of police then someone else with no code of conduct or standards to uphold will step in to fill the void.

Before the recent festivities violent crime was half of what it was in the 1990’s. These programs were working well. The police are the scape goats. Their job is to enforce the laws as written. Do some laws they have to enforce disproportionately affect minorities and people of low socio-economic status? Absolutely. Asset forfeiture is fucking immoral, unconstitutional bullshit. I hoped that stooge Obama was going to do something about.

Drug de-criminalization. Prison sentencing reform. Privatized prisons. There’s a great deal that we should be talking about, but the conversation has been hijacked.

Cops make 90% of people nervous. probably more than that. Folks with poor impulse control (eg felons, folks with violent histories), do real stupid shit when nervous. Its not the cop’s fault. But, there might be a better way to handle these folks with poor impulse control.

These communities are not made up of people who can come up with solutions. You don’t ask a poor person how to solve poverty. You don’t ask a single mother who raises murderers how to raise decent children.

Because they won’t or can’t address the root problems. And no one will pay for it anyway since it’s an investment that may take 20 years to bear fruit. Meaning, you have to start with babies right now; older kids are probably a lost cause (and that’s who we spend the most money on).

We already are. The problem isn’t where they are created but by whom they are created: people who have never experienced life in the inner cities.

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I’m not against the community social worker thing, but the police need more funding, if anything. Most of the cops I’ve talked to, or read on other forums would love to have someone else deal take a lot of the stupid bullshit off their plates.

How about compliance with the people entrusted to maintain law and order?

Hard to believe. She got elected and is able to make headlines seemingly whenever she wants. So at the very least shrewd/cunning.

So, back to power. And had to google “The Squad”, but I remember a headline about the Omar woman, and a quick google found this (so also money). Same old, same old.

Not let him out on parole.

I think we should always be looking for ways to create a more just society, and ways to improve outcomes in all aspects of society. Reaching a “good enough” outcome and stopping any attempt to improve is unacceptable IMO.

If we can figure out a way to create better outcomes when dealing with folks who are dumb, have poor impulse control, lack respect for authority, etc that is progress we should look into.

Reproduction licenses would solve 90% of problems… but there are a few problems with that route.

I think more K9s would help. As stupid a scumbag as Rayshard Brooks was, would he have attacked the cops with a K9 present? If he ran, the K9 would have taken him down before it got to the point of shooting. Very few people who would otherwise resist arrest, resist once a K9 has latched onto them. And I don’t think a K9 has ever killed a suspect.

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You said it, not me.

I think that’s a hard thing to do because of the fact they have those issues to begin with. The focus should be on lowering the number of those people that are created by starting with babies and their parents. Parental training needs to happen and it needs to be enforced. Welfare should come with accountability.

That’s one aspect of the system she doesn’t want to dismantle. Socialism is for the plebs.

IIRC, the US did have a eugenics program and it was fairly well supported (unless you were one of the people they forcibly sterilized). The MN state fair (pretty big deal as far as state fairs go), had a contest for the perfect family every year. Some German dude ruined the whole thing in the late 30s and 40s.

Bringing a child into the world should come with accountability… but it doesn’t. And i personally, do not feel comfortable denying welfare benefits to children because of their terrible parents.

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