DeFranco Energy Bars?

Hmm… $28 for 12 bars is VERY expensive, but if you’re only eating them pre-workout, that’s basicaaly a box per month, which isn’t ridiculous. Right now they’re all sold out, so probably when they’re back I’ll try out a box. Until then I’ll stick with the pre-workout Red Bull.

[quote]Joe DeFranco wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They contain High Fructose Corn Syrup. Very bad decision, turns a probably good bar into “junk” food. You might as well eat a Snickers (or any other candy bar). He said it was necesarry to make it eatable, but Metabolic Drive Bars don’t have it and they taste great.

I’m not one to spend a lot of time on forums, but I had to throw in my 2 cents on this one. Saying that “you might as well eat a snickers” may be the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read on this site.

Does snickers have 28 grams of quality protein? Does snickers have almost 2 GRAMS of L-Tyrosine? (Actually, now that I think about it, does ANY OTHER PROTEIN BAR ON THE MARKET HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF L-TYROSINE??) And FYI, snickers has about double the amount of corn syrup as my bar.

And another FYI, the reason we used some corn syrup is because it was the only thing that we found to give the bar a texture that made it chewable with all the L-Tyrosine that we squeezed in there. When I first told the food scientist that I wanted 1.5-2 GRAMS minimum in the bar, he laughed and said, “No Fuc*ing way!”

Long story short, we made it work, the bar TASTES phenominal & the little bit of corn syrup does not disrupt the synergistic effect of the high protein, L-Tyrosine & caffeine! THAT WAS THE GOAL - A great-tasting bar that gave you a nice, focused “buzz” before workouts. I accomplished my goal!

And one quick note on protein bars: My advice is to not forget the true purpose of these bars…whether we’re talking about Metabolic Drive bars, DeFranco Bars or Met-Rx bars, the main function of these bars is to give people a healthIER alternative than candy bars, fast food, etc. when you’re on the go and you don’t have time to eat.

THAT’S WHAT THESE BARS ARE MEANT FOR! I don’t think ANY supplement company owner will try and tell you that their bar is the “world’s most perfect food” and you should eat nothing else than their bars. Quite the contrary. The bottom line is that, in conjunction with a proper nutrition and exercise program, “nutritional bars” can be incorporated into your daily regimine as a healthier alternative than most other “fast foods.”

Hopefully this puts things into perspective.

Joe D.
“Proud creator of the DeFranco Energy Bar”[/quote]

The Snickers remark was over the line but I have a personal vendetta against HFCS. Corn syrup is one thing, HFCS is another.

The Double Danger of
High Fructose Corn Syrup
By Bill Sanda, BS, MBA

For many years, Dr. Meira Fields and her coworkers at the US Department of Agriculture investigated the harmful effects of dietary sugar on rats. They discovered that when male rats are fed a diet deficient in copper, with sucrose as the carbohydrate, they develop severe pathologies of vital organs. Liver, heart and testes exhibit extreme swelling, while the pancreas atrophies, invariably leading to death of the rats before maturity.

Sucrose is a disaccharide composed of 50 percent glucose and 50 percent fructose. Dr. Fields repeated her experiments to determine whether it was the glucose or fructose moiety that caused the harmful effects. Starch breaks down into glucose when digested. On a copper-deficient diet, the male rats showed some signs of copper deficiency, but not the gross abnormalities of vital organs that occur in rats on the sucrose diet. When the rats were fed fructose, the fatal organ abnormalities occured.

Lysl oxidase is a copper-dependent enzyme that participates in the formation of collagen and elastin. Fructose seems to interfere with copper metabolism to such an extent that collagen and elastin cannot form in growing animals–hence the hypertrophy of the heart and liver in young males. The females did not develop these abnormalities, but they resorbed their litters.1

These experiements should give us pause when we consider the great increase in the use of high fructose corn syrup during the past 30 years, particularly in soft drinks, fruit juices and other beverages aimed at growing children, children increasingly likely to be copper deficient as modern parents no longer serve liver to their families. (Liver is by far the best source of copper in human diets.)

“The bodies of the children I see today are mush,” observed a concerned chiropractor recently. The culprit is the modern diet, high in fructose and low in copper-containing foods, resulting in inadequate formation of elastin and collagen–the sinews that hold the body together.

BINGEING ON FRUCTOSE
Until the 1970s most of the sugar we ate came from sucrose derived from sugar beets or sugar cane. Then sugar from corn–corn syrup, fructose, dextrose, dextrine and especially high fructose corn syrup (HFCS)–began to gain popularity as a sweetener because it was much less expensive to produce. High fructose corn syrup can be manipulated to contain equal amounts of fructose and glucose, or up to 80 percent fructose and 20 percent glucose.2 Thus, with almost twice the fructose, HFCS delivers a double danger compared to sugar.

(With regards to fruit, the ratio is usually 50 percent glucose and 50 percent fructose, but most commercial fruit juices have HFCS added. Fruit contains fiber which slows down the metabolism of fructose and other sugars, but the fructose in HFCS is absorbed very quickly.)

In 1980 the average person ate 39 pounds of fructose and 84 pounds of sucrose. In 1994 the average person ate 66 pounds of sucrose and 83 pounds of fructose, providing 19 percent of total caloric energy.3 Today approximately 25 percent of our average caloric intake comes from sugars, with the larger fraction as fructose.4

High fructose corn syrup is extremely soluble and mixes well in many foods. It is cheap to produce, sweet and easy to store. It?s used in everything from bread to pasta sauces to bacon to beer as well as in “health products” like protein bars and “natural” sodas.

FRUCTOSE FOR DIABETICS?
In the past, fructose was considered beneficial to diabetics because it is absorbed only 40 percent as quickly as glucose and causes only a modest rise in blood sugar.5 However, research on other hormonal factors suggests that fructose actually promotes disease more readily than glucose. Glucose is metabolized in every cell in the body but all fructose must be metabolized in the liver.6 The livers of test animals fed large amounts of fructose develop fatty deposits and cirrhosis, similar to problems that develop in the livers of alcoholics.

Pure fructose contains no enzymes, vitamins or minerals and robs the body of its micronutrient treasures in order to assimilate itself for physiological use.7 While naturally occurring sugars, as well as sucrose, contain fructose bound to other sugars, high fructose corn syrup contains a good deal of “free” or unbound fructose. Research indicates that this free fructose interferes with the heart?s use of key minerals like magnesium, copper and chromium. Among other consequences, HFCS has been implicated in elevated blood cholesterol levels and the creation of blood clots. It has been found to inhibit the action of white blood cells so that they are unable to defend the body against harmful foreign invaders.8

Studies on the Maillard reaction indicate that fructose may contribute to diabetic complications more readily than glucose. The Maillard reaction is a browning reaction that occurs when compounds are exposed to various sugars. Fructose browns food seven times faster than glucose, resulting in a decrease in protein quality and a toxicity of protein in the body.9 This is due to the loss of amino acid residues and decreased protein digestibility. Maillard products can inhibit the uptake and metabolism of free amino acids and other nutrients such as zinc, and some advanced Maillard products have mutagenic and/or carcinogenic properties. The Maillard reactions between proteins and fructose, glucose, and other sugars may play a role in aging and in some clinical complications of diabetes.10

Fructose reduces the affinity of insulin for its receptor, which is the hallmark of type-2 diabetes. This is the first step for glucose to enter a cell and be metabolized. As a result, the body needs to pump out more insulin to handle the same amount of glucose.21

OTHER EFFECTS
Nancy Appleton, PhD, clinical nutritionist, has compiled a list of the harmful effects of fructose in her books Lick the Sugar Habit, Healthy Bones, Heal Yourself With Natural Foods, The Curse Of Louis Pasteur and Lick the Sugar Habit Sugar Counter. She points out that consumption of fructose causes a significant increase in the concentration of uric acid; after ingestion of glucose, no significant change occurs. An increase in uric acid can be an indicator of heart disease.12 Furthermore, fructose ingestion in humans results in increases in blood lactic acid, especially in patients with preexisting acidotic conditions such as diabetes, postoperative stress or uremia. Extreme elevations cause metabolic acidosis and can result in death.13

Fructose is absorbed primarily in the jejunum before metabolism in the liver. Fructose is converted to fatty acids by the liver at a greater rate than is glucose.14 When consumed in excess of dietary glucose, the liver cannot convert all of the excess fructose in the system and it may be malabsorbed. The portion that escapes conversion may be thrown out in the urine. Diarrhea can be a consequence.19 A study of 25 patients with functional bowel disease showed that pronounced gastrointestinal distress may be provoked by malabsorption of small amounts of fructose.26

Fructose interacts with oral contraceptives and elevates insulin levels in women on "the pill."17

In studies with rats, fructose consistently produces higher kidney calcium concentrations than glucose. Fructose generally induces greater urinary concentrations of phosphorus and magnesium and lowered urinary pH compared with glucose.18

In humans, fructose feeding leads to mineral losses, especially higher fecal excretions of iron and magnesium, than did subjects fed sucrose. Iron, magnesium, calcium, and zinc balances tended to be more negative during the fructose-feeding period as compared to balances during the sucrose-feeding period.19

There is significant evidence that high sucrose diets may alter intracellular metabolism, which in turn facilitates accelerated aging through oxidative damage. Scientists found that the rats given fructose had more undesirable cross-linking changes in the collagen of their skin than in the other groups. These changes are also thought to be markers for aging. The scientists say that it is the fructose molecule in the sucrose, not the glucose, that plays the larger part.20

Because it is metabolized by the liver, fructose does not cause the pancreas to release insulin the way it normally does. Fructose converts to fat more than any other sugar. This may be one of the reasons Americans continue to get fatter. Fructose raises serum triglycerides significantly. As a left-handed sugar, fructose digestion is very low. For complete internal conversion of fructose into glucose and acetates, it must rob ATP energy stores from the liver.21

Not only does fructose have more damaging effects in the presence of copper deficiency, fructose also inhibits copper metabolism–another example of the sweeteners double-whammy effect. A deficiency in copper leads to bone fragility, anemia, defects of the connective tissue, arteries, and bone, infertility, heart arrhythmias, high cholesterol levels, heart attacks, and an inability to control blood sugar levels.22

Although these studies were not designed to test the effects of fructose on weight gain, the observation of increased body weight associated with fructose ingestion is of interest. One explanation for this observation could be that fructose ingestion did not increase the production of two hormones, insulin and leptin, that have key roles in the long-term regulation of food intake and energy expenditure.23

HYPERSENSIVITY
The magnitude of the deleterious effects of fructose varies depending on such factors as age, sex, baseline glucose, insulin, triglyceride concentrations, the presence of insulin resistance, and the amount of dietary fructose consumed.24 Some people are more sensitive to fructose. They include hypertensive, hyperinsulinemic, hypertriglyceridemic, non-insulin dependent diabetic people, people with functional bowel disease and postmenopausal women.25

Everyone should avoid over-exposure to fructose, but especially those listed above. One or two pieces of fruit per day is fine, but commercial fruit juices and any products containing high fructose corn syrup aremore dangerous than sugar and should be removed from the diet.

REFERENCES

  1. Fields, M, Proceedings of the Society of Experimental Biology and Medicine, 1984, 175:530-537.

  2. Appleton, Nancy, PhD, Fructose is No Answer For a Sweetener, Dr. Mercola's Censored Library (Private Membership) | Dr. Joseph Mercola | Substack.

  3. Beatrice Trum Hunter, Confusing Consumers About Sugar Intake, Consumer?s Research 78, no 1 (January 1995): 14-17.

  4. Fallon, Sally and Mary Enig, Nourishing Traditions, New Trends Publishing, Washington DC, 2001, p. 23.

  5. Hallfrisch, Judith, Metabolic Effects of Dietary Fructose, FASEB Journal 4 (June 1990): 2652-2660.

  6. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, November 2002 Vol. 76, No. 5, 911-922.

  7. Appleton, Nancy Ph.D., Fructose is No Answer For a Sweetener, Dr. Mercola's Censored Library (Private Membership) | Dr. Joseph Mercola | Substack.

  8. http://www.mcvitamins.com/cornsyrup.htm.

  9. H. F. Bunn and P. J. Higgins, Reaction of Nonosaccharides with Proteins; Possible Evolutionary Significance, Science 213 (1981):2222-2244.

  10. William L Dills Jr., Protein Fructosylation: Fructose and the Maillard Reaction, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 58 (suppl) (1993): 779S-787S.

  11. Hunter.

  12. J. MacDonald, Anne Keyser, and Deborah Pacy, Some Effects, in Man, of Varying the Load of Glucose, Sucrose, Fructose, or Sorbitol on Various Metabolites in Blood, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 31 (August 1978)): 1305-1311.

  13. Hallfrisch, Judith, Metabolic Effects of Dietary Fructose, FASEB Journal 4 (June 1990): 2652-2660.

  14. D. Zakim and R. H. Herman, Fructose Metabolism II, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 21: 315-319, 1968.

  15. A. E. Bender and K. B. Damji, Some Effects of Dietary Sucrose, World Review of Nutrition and Dietetics 15 (1972): 104-155.

  16. J. J. Rumessen and E. Gudmand-Hoyer, Functional Bowel Disease: Malabsorption and Abdominal Distress After Ingestion of Fructose, Sorbitol, and Fructose-Sorbitol Mixtures, Gastroenterology 95, no. 3 (September 1988): 694-700.

  17. Hunter,Beatrice Trum,Confusing Consumers About Sugar Intake, Consumers? Research 78, no 1 (January 1995): 14-17.

  18. A. E. Bergstra, A. G. Lemmens, and A. C. Beynens, Dietary Fructose vs. Glucose Stimulates Nephrocalcinogenesis in Female Rats, Journal of Nutrition 123, no. 7 (July 1993): 1320-1327.

  19. R. Ivaturi and C. Kies, Mineral Balances in Humans as Affected by Fructose, High Fructose Corn Syrup and Sucrose, Plant Foods for Human Nutrition 42, no. 2 (1992): 143-151.

  20. Roger B. Mc Donald, Influence of Dietary Sucrose on Biological Aging, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 62 (suppl), (1995): 284s-293s.

  21. H. Hallfrisch, et al.,The Effects of Fructose on Blood Lipid Levels, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 37: 5, 1983, 740-748.

  22. Klevay, Leslie, Acting Director of the U.S. Agriculture Department?s Human Nutrition Research Center, Grand Forks, N.D.

  23. Observation by Nancy Appleton, PhD.

  24. Hollenbeck, Claire B., Dietary Fructose Effects on Lipoprotein Metabolism and Risk for Coronary Artery Disease, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 58 (suppl), (1993): 800S-807S.

  25. Appleton, Nancy Ph.D., Fructose is No Answer For a Sweetener, Dr. Mercola's Censored Library (Private Membership) | Dr. Joseph Mercola | Substack.


[quote]Joe DeFranco wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They contain High Fructose Corn Syrup. Very bad decision, turns a probably good bar into “junk” food. You might as well eat a Snickers (or any other candy bar). He said it was necesarry to make it eatable, but Metabolic Drive Bars don’t have it and they taste great.

I’m not one to spend a lot of time on forums, but I had to throw in my 2 cents on this one. Saying that “you might as well eat a snickers” may be the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read on this site.

Does snickers have 28 grams of quality protein? Does snickers have almost 2 GRAMS of L-Tyrosine? (Actually, now that I think about it, does ANY OTHER PROTEIN BAR ON THE MARKET HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF L-TYROSINE??) And FYI, snickers has about double the amount of corn syrup as my bar.

And another FYI, the reason we used some corn syrup is because it was the only thing that we found to give the bar a texture that made it chewable with all the L-Tyrosine that we squeezed in there. When I first told the food scientist that I wanted 1.5-2 GRAMS minimum in the bar, he laughed and said, “No Fuc*ing way!”

Long story short, we made it work, the bar TASTES phenominal & the little bit of corn syrup does not disrupt the synergistic effect of the high protein, L-Tyrosine & caffeine! THAT WAS THE GOAL - A great-tasting bar that gave you a nice, focused “buzz” before workouts. I accomplished my goal!

And one quick note on protein bars: My advice is to not forget the true purpose of these bars…whether we’re talking about Metabolic Drive bars, DeFranco Bars or Met-Rx bars, the main function of these bars is to give people a healthIER alternative than candy bars, fast food, etc. when you’re on the go and you don’t have time to eat.

THAT’S WHAT THESE BARS ARE MEANT FOR! I don’t think ANY supplement company owner will try and tell you that their bar is the “world’s most perfect food” and you should eat nothing else than their bars. Quite the contrary. The bottom line is that, in conjunction with a proper nutrition and exercise program, “nutritional bars” can be incorporated into your daily regimine as a healthier alternative than most other “fast foods.”

Hopefully this puts things into perspective.

Joe D.
“Proud creator of the DeFranco Energy Bar”[/quote]

I agree, Joe. I haven’t tried your bars, but I don’t really think any bars are tremendously healthy and it’s not possible for them to be. That include those made by Biotest. It doesn’t mean they’re unhealthy, but by their nature, the require things that don’t need to be put in protein powder. Their main draw is convenience and portability, and as you say, the fact that they are a reasonably healthy alternative to something else you could be eating when you have to go for awhile without eating. The added kick of tyrosine and caffeine of your bars would be an added bonus for many people.

[quote]piper1 wrote:
It’s got to be the L-Tyrosine because I’ve never felt a boost like this before, recently I had become a fan of Advocare Spark but it pales in comparison.[/quote]

The tyrosine and the caffeine. Tyrosine is a known sitmulant in many people. It’s also a key component of Power Drive, from which many people get that same kick.

[quote]Joe DeFranco wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They contain High Fructose Corn Syrup. Very bad decision, turns a probably good bar into “junk” food. You might as well eat a Snickers (or any other candy bar). He said it was necesarry to make it eatable, but Metabolic Drive Bars don’t have it and they taste great.

I’m not one to spend a lot of time on forums, but I had to throw in my 2 cents on this one. Saying that “you might as well eat a snickers” may be the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read on this site.

Does snickers have 28 grams of quality protein? Does snickers have almost 2 GRAMS of L-Tyrosine? (Actually, now that I think about it, does ANY OTHER PROTEIN BAR ON THE MARKET HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF L-TYROSINE??) And FYI, snickers has about double the amount of corn syrup as my bar.

And another FYI, the reason we used some corn syrup is because it was the only thing that we found to give the bar a texture that made it chewable with all the L-Tyrosine that we squeezed in there. When I first told the food scientist that I wanted 1.5-2 GRAMS minimum in the bar, he laughed and said, “No Fuc*ing way!”

Long story short, we made it work, the bar TASTES phenominal & the little bit of corn syrup does not disrupt the synergistic effect of the high protein, L-Tyrosine & caffeine! THAT WAS THE GOAL - A great-tasting bar that gave you a nice, focused “buzz” before workouts. I accomplished my goal!

And one quick note on protein bars: My advice is to not forget the true purpose of these bars…whether we’re talking about Metabolic Drive bars, DeFranco Bars or Met-Rx bars, the main function of these bars is to give people a healthIER alternative than candy bars, fast food, etc. when you’re on the go and you don’t have time to eat.

THAT’S WHAT THESE BARS ARE MEANT FOR! I don’t think ANY supplement company owner will try and tell you that their bar is the “world’s most perfect food” and you should eat nothing else than their bars. Quite the contrary. The bottom line is that, in conjunction with a proper nutrition and exercise program, “nutritional bars” can be incorporated into your daily regimine as a healthier alternative than most other “fast foods.”

Hopefully this puts things into perspective.

Joe D.
“Proud creator of the DeFranco Energy Bar”[/quote]

Yeah, that should really kill this topic.

We all know corn syrup is bad, but comparing this to snickers is just silly.

Next time you eat a regular candy bar think back to this thread and defrancos post.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
piper1 wrote:
It’s got to be the L-Tyrosine because I’ve never felt a boost like this before, recently I had become a fan of Advocare Spark but it pales in comparison.

The tyrosine and the caffeine. Tyrosine is a known sitmulant in many people. It’s also a key component of Power Drive, from which many people get that same kick.[/quote]

Yea, I like Power Drive also, havn’t used it in a while, but these bars give a better boost and it lasts longer, these really do give a strength increase that is quite noticable.

I like them, they taste good. Great pre-workout.

and i ordered 12 boxes, they are on sale right now.

good deal, fast shipping.

They pulled them and aren’t selling them anymore is what I was told recently. These bars are awesome pre-workout and the only way I am able to workout in the mornings. I love these bars!
Funny, how many people will pay $4 for a starbucks coffee yet wont pay $2 for a bar with caffeine, tyrosine and 28g protein!

Joe please bring your bars back!

It has been a very long time since I have enjoyed one of these bars. I use to love to have them pre workout and couldnt wait to use them before games. Now that I am in season without these bars is a little dissapointing. Any news?

If you want something that is HCFS-free, you might try bars by Jay Robb. And if you think Defrancos stuff is expensive, then this guys stuff costs even more (His products are exceptional quality though)