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Deca/Test Cycle. PCT & AI Advice?

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#1

Hi All,

Please let me know if my cycle below:

Week 1-10
480mg of Test E per week =
240mg Test E x2 a week = Using Test300 and will draw out 4/5 of a ml)
300mg of Deca x1 a week = I am going to order a 10ml bottle of Deca 300 - so 10weeks finishes perfectly.

Week 11-12
240mg Test E x2 a week = 480mg of Test (Using Test300 and will draw out 4/5 of a ml)

Week 13-14 - Off cycle

PCT
Option 1: Clomid: 50 tabs of 30mg
4 Weeks: Clomid 75/50/50/50

Option 2: Nolva - 50 tabs of 20mg

3 Weeks:
Week 15-16: - 40mg Nolvadex per day
Week 17: 20mg per day

AI
I am not sure what to get.
Is 50 tabs of 1mg enough? Was told to run 0.5mg everyday whilst on cycle for 14 weeks = 98 days

#2

Test 300 is going to give you some PIP. Be prepared. Split both injections so each is 2x per week pinned in same barrel. Wait at least three weeks before PCT not two. Nolva 40/40/20/20 or Clomid 50/50/25/25 but not both. If AI is needed start with .25mg Arimadex with each injection and increase as necessary, but absolutely do not take Arimadex at the dosage you suggested.

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#3

Thank you for the reply. Especially with regards to the arimadex. Unfortunately I was never able to find it before from my previous place.

Would Test250 be better than Test300 but at 10 weeks? - Only want to buy 2 bottles Vs 3 & have more than half left.

Additionally any recommendations re nolva Vs clomid?

#4

The lower the concentration the more injection friendly its going to be. I’ve never used more than Test 250 and been ok. Test 300 and Test 400 usually end in frequent complaints. Not the end of the world, just a forwarning it may hurt.

You’ll see time and time again that Nolva is quoted as the better option. Admittedly I’m no longer a PCT guy but when I did I used Clomid with no issues. Given the choice I would go with Nolva knowing what I know now. It has less side effects and less severe ones.

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#5

Thank you blshaw!

I’m considering dropping the deca and rubbing a test only cycle at 500mg a week for 10 weeks. The test only cycles used to work really well & limited side effects.

What would you recommend?
Additionally do I need to run amex if I’m not injecting deca?

#6

Test only is a great cycle but will not be near as rewarding as combining it with Deca. The caveat is some people can’t handle deca even in small doses (including myself). It gives me mental sides and ED as with a lot of other men. If you are one of the guys that can handle it the mass you will put on will be hands down better than solo test.

As far as the AI goes you would base that mostly off your Test dose and not so much off the Deca. Deca only aromatizes at a fifth the rate of testosterone so its not doing much in the way of E2.

#7

Thank you fro all your advise! Really appreciate it.

Decided to do a test only cycle - after my cycle last year I really suffered on the side effects. Test always been great for me.

Will get my bloods done tomorrow and place my order tonight.

With the HCG I have been reading different threads - some say to start it in Week 4 as it is not advisable to run it for the full 10 weeks.
In the 2 weeks I am off Test to taper should it be run then too? Its the 1 thing I am never 100% sure on as there seems to be conflicting trains of thoughts.

Old school one being just run it after the cycle but I do understand during cycle is better - prevention is better than cure.

#8

HCG is a personal choice. You just DO NOT want to run it while taking your serm/PCT. So you could run it the whole cycle, last half, or just the couple weeks in between your PCT. I would increase your off period to three weeks for adequate clearance of the test and then run the HCG during that period. Something like 300iu 3x a week or 500iu 2x a week. Don’t go crazy on the HCG.

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#9

This is what I would do if I was going to run a PCT. Lower chance of E2 issues than running all along. Agree 3 weeks wait is better than 2. I would probably go with 4-500 iu EOD to really get the balls going (just me though).

#10

Firstly MASSIVE shout out to @blshaw - truly helped me so much with this!

UPDATE:
Did my labs and the results came back all within normal range so decided was time to go ahead.
I ordered 2 bottles of 300mg of an int brand - I won’t name it in case its against the rules. 1 Bottle of HCG, 1 packet of arimadex and 1 packet of Nova.
They shipped 1 bottle of 300 and 1 of 250 (local brand). And reimbursed the difference decided to make it work.

Started cycle on 25 Nov.
Decided to do 1 shot of 300 and 1 of 250 per week = 550mg.
Also decided to only inject the 300 on left shoulder and 250 on right shoulder as mini experiment.
Only used adex as needed and in the .25mg dosage @blshaw mentioned.
Observations:

1 - It took 3 weeks to start feeling the effects of the test. No front loading, no AAS.
Hormone fluctuation was not crazy high either - with AAS usually feel the mental effects harder.

2 - I was on a 12 week streak of hitting the gym min 3x a week before starting cycle. I maintained that streak right until the last week of dec. I tried not to go HAM and focus on being consistent, keeping form correct and lifting heavier in increments.

3 - My strength starting increasing on every workout. I wasn’t getting tired after doing my max PR lifts anymore. It FELT amazing. See bottom of thread for details:

4 - My left arm (300mg) site showed far more signs of pimples than my right (250). Not sure what that means though.

5 - Weight
Weighed 88.5 kgs pre cycle
Maxed at 92.5/ 93 kgs (Christmas dinner and
On week 13 now with HCG and down to 90kgs.

6 - On week Jan 8 (Week 7) - I started feeling sick with flu like symptoms. I maintained the dosage that week of 550, I did 1 session on Jan 13 but it was not a great session at all. Regressed my recovery - didn’t train for another 14 days and was treating myself with OTC medication. However I started to feel worse in my symptoms. Saw a doctor and had to do a dose of antibiotics & for work purposes I had to get a covid test, which was negative.
The only 2 weeks in the cycle I did not maintain my goal of minimum of 3 sessions a week.

I made the decision to reduce my dosage though for the next 3 weeks.
My original cycle plan was to run for 10 weeks but I thought run for 12 and taper.

Week 1-8 - 550mg
Week 9 - 300mg
Week 10-11 - 250mg - Last shot 5 Feb

Week 12-14 - HCG - 500iu 2x a week

  • Tuesday and Friday shooting days

Currently on week 13 as I type this entry up.
Observation: MASSIVE increase in sex drive. Wife not complaining

After doing several cycles with AAS added to the cycles - Deca, Equi (not a fan at all), Dbol (wont touch it again) - I have to say this cycle has been my favorite. It was simple to do, very little PIP, hormone increase slightly noticeable but not much fluctuations.
Only side was tiny pimples on my back & slightly itchy nipples - that the amex fixed.

Lifting journal:

  • Bench - 30% increase on cycle. Went for Pyramid’s and drop sets as opposed to a 1RM.
    My 3PM = 130kgs

  • Squat - my knee wasn’t getting sore after 4 sets. I only used the brace over 100kgs.
    5RPM = 140kgs

  • Deadlifts - Intensity was much better as was the form and rhythm. I wasn’t tiring on 3 and hitting 5 reps on nearly every weight increment.
    5RPM - 150 kgs
    3 RPM - 180 kgs

  • Shoulders - clean jerk and press - my biggest weakness in my body.
    I have torn the rotators twice before and usually stop as soon as I feel its tight. I broke past my usual weight by 30% but the biggest difference was how much less stiff I was after these sessions.

END ENTRY.

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#11

Sounds like a success to me! Mass and strength are important but so is maintaining your well being and libido. If you can check all boxes then its a win. Thanks for the share.

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#12

Week 14 observation:

3rd week of hcg. Did my final shot on Thursday - 500iu. Trained back Tuesday & chest Friday.

Observations:
1 - Endurance on Tuesday was heightened. I did a deadlift pyramid. 5 reps at each weight going up to 140. Then down again. To 60.
60
80
100
120
140
120
100
80
60

5160 kgs in total. Good rythym.
Plus the warm up back sets & rows I did before.

2 - Recovery slow - after that session on Tuesday I felt broken on Wednesday & Thursday. Usually I would recover within 48 -72 hours. But on Friday I had to stay myself to the gym despite my body not being 100% up for it.

3 - distinct lack of energy & focus. Motivation is hard to find.

4 - as soon as I started working sets on chest, I felt my lower back. I stopped my workout to stretch for 15 minutes on the ball & matt. I don’t think my muscles have recovered from Tuesday.

Moral of the story? The test cycle gave me 2 real gifts.
1 - the ability to recover much faster & therefore train a little harder each session. I need to keep this in mind before over extending myself on day 1.

2 - The psychological shift was incredible. After my warm up sets the animal type thinking came through. Whereas now I need to focus myself a lot more & push myself to continue to what I know is possible.

Step 1 PCT finished.
Starting Nova today - 48 hours since my last hcg shot. For the next 4 weeks
40/40/20/20

Will keep an observation log on the effects.

End of entry.

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