[quote]Alffi wrote:
So I get your basic argument is that it’s hard. OK,it’s hard but I think I presented reasonable arguments for why it’s a decent idea,if you don’t find it that hard.
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You don’t get my basic argument. My basic argument is that its impractical.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
As for small weight being heavy,I’m not sure if that matters. I thought the contraction was the most important thing,not the weight on the bar. Would not calling that useless be like saying that you should always jerk rather than military press because you can use more weight that way?
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Look at the top of this forum. See what it says? Strength Sports. Weight on the bar > contraction
My argument is relative to powerlifting. Im not the one talking in absolutes here, you are. If you want to get good at ridiculous deficit snatch deads, then do them by all means. If you want to get better at pulling from the floor, then there are far better tools that can be used to accomplish this.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Or perform all of your bench with the most intense leg drive and arch and generally maximizing leverages,when far smaller weight would have done the job of developing the muscles in that range of motion?
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If you are a powerlifter whose goal is to bench press as much as possible while maximizing leverages and leg drive then yeah, this sounds about right.
If your main goal is “developing the muscles” then there are still better exercises for this and you are probably posting in the wrong forum to begin with.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
I’m pretty sure that hitting that,say 400 for the first time with that big ROM and challenging leverages would be far more satisfying than a regular lift.
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Are you now? Personally, I dont give two shits how much I can circus deadlift. Im not doing that in my meet, and Im more likely to get injured trying to get a big circus deadlift than I am training other lifts in order to improve my pull. You agree with me that the positioning at the bottom of that lift is incredibly disadvantaged.
Most people lack the flexibility to deadlift from the floor properly, let alone from a 6 inch block with a wide grip. So now we are going to spend time working on people’s flexibility so that they can train a lift with marginal (at best) carryover to their goals when there are far faster and more effective routes to achieving that goal? Like I said earlier, its impractical.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
I have done snatch grip deads from a 6 inch pile of rugs,which are so positioned that I have to start the lift from a row position,bar farther away. My single leg max is nearing 180lbs. Biggest plates on the bar are 22 pounds.
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Want a cookie? Thats impressive and all, but I fail to see how that relates to the fact that if your goal was to increase your pull from the floor, you could have made much greater progress by pursuing other lifts instead of your circus and one-legged deadlifts.
That Buckeye Girl is pretty smart…Id like to rattle her cage