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Deadlift Problem: Losing My Grip

Hey all-

My last 2 workouts I have tried near-maximum deadlifts without straps and both times have gotten the weight almost up only to lose my grip and miss the lift. Both times my left palm tore open and bled rather profusely. This is the hand I keep palm-down in my alternate grip.

A few questions: first, is my palm ripping open because I am losing my grip or am I losing my grip because the palm is ripping open? Second, any stopgap measures you suggest to alleviate this problem? I have tried keeping the left hand palm-up but I can’t do near as much weight.

I have a competition in 4 weeks so I can’t back off at this point.

Maybe you cannot do as much now but you got 4 weeks to practice the alternate grip style. If you got no issues with the other grip do it. How much chalk do you use on the fingers versus the palms?

Id venture to say Your ripping the pal due to the grip loosening. If you keep it damn tight it should nit rip as you lose in and the bar moves rippage happens

Um really get that grip Under the bar get as much as your hand on it as you can and grab that damn thing with all your might

Like the other poster said chalk very very liberal chalk. I even find antiperspirant on hand a bit prior will help a roll on itll keep hands uber dry.

In the end itll hurt like a MOTHER F’er but come comp time if you have to use the hook grip along with the mixed grip and just pull that bitch.

Phill

[quote]TunaMonkey wrote:
Hey all-

My last 2 workouts I have tried near-maximum deadlifts without straps and both times have gotten the weight almost up only to lose my grip and miss the lift. Both times my left palm tore open and bled rather profusely. This is the hand I keep palm-down in my alternate grip.

A few questions: first, is my palm ripping open because I am losing my grip or am I losing my grip because the palm is ripping open? Second, any stopgap measures you suggest to alleviate this problem? I have tried keeping the left hand palm-up but I can’t do near as much weight.

I have a competition in 4 weeks so I can’t back off at this point. [/quote]

You can’t do near as much as what?? If you’re dropping your deadlifts then you’re not doing them, I know you’re grip’s causing it but ultimately if you stick with what you’re doing now then you run the very real chance of dropping lifts on comp day. Just suck it up and drop back, switch you grip and come back strong on the platform.

Also, if you’re hand’s already ripped proper open then a week might not be long enough for it to heal. You MIGHT have to be a “bitch” (smart training will be being a bitch to some no doubt) and use straps for a week to let it heal.

suggestion : take a pain reliver and hook grip it. Lets hold more, and keep ur palms on it more imo and hurts like a bitch.

[quote]Hanley wrote:
You can’t do near as much as what?? If you’re dropping your deadlifts then you’re not doing them, I know you’re grip’s causing it but ultimately if you stick with what you’re doing now then you run the very real chance of dropping lifts on comp day. Just suck it up and drop back, switch you grip and come back strong on the platform.

Also, if you’re hand’s already ripped proper open then a week might not be long enough for it to heal. You MIGHT have to be a “bitch” (smart training will be being a bitch to some no doubt) and use straps for a week to let it heal.[/quote]

I agree on letting it heal as well, straps or even heavy ass GM’s

Phill

Alot of times tearing of the palms is attributed to excessive callus build up. That is why strongmen, in particular, use pumice stones with such frequency.

I have calluses that build up on my ring and middle finger in front of where my finger inserts (for lack of better terms) and in particular in a meet cycle and heading into a contest. Therefore I use a stone to keep those calluses at bay.

Per Hanley’s post, you need to let it heal and again, evaluate the extent to which you have callus build up and take them down.

Food for thought.

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Alot of times tearing of the palms is attributed to excessive callus build up. That is why strongmen, in particular, use pumice stones with such frequency.

I have calluses that build up on my ring and middle finger in front of where my finger inserts (for lack of better terms) and in particular in a meet cycle and heading into a contest. Therefore I use a stone to keep those calluses at bay.

Per Hanley’s post, you need to let it heal and again, evaluate the extent to which you have callus build up and take them down.

Food for thought.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice. It seems counterintuitive to remove callouses to prevent hand injury, but given the number of powerlifters/strongmen who do so, I don’t argue the efficacy. Where do you buy pumice stones? I’m not sure this will help matters since the spot that keeps tearing hasn’t had a chance for a callous to form.

Do most powerlifters use a hook grip? My impression is that the rare few with high pain tolerance (ever for a strength athlete) and/or truly bad grip strength use the hook grip, but I may be wrong.

[quote]TunaMonkey wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
Alot of times tearing of the palms is attributed to excessive callus build up. That is why strongmen, in particular, use pumice stones with such frequency.

I have calluses that build up on my ring and middle finger in front of where my finger inserts (for lack of better terms) and in particular in a meet cycle and heading into a contest. Therefore I use a stone to keep those calluses at bay.

Per Hanley’s post, you need to let it heal and again, evaluate the extent to which you have callus build up and take them down.

Food for thought.

Thanks for the advice. It seems counterintuitive to remove callouses to prevent hand injury, but given the number of powerlifters/strongmen who do so, I don’t argue the efficacy. Where do you buy pumice stones? I’m not sure this will help matters since the spot that keeps tearing hasn’t had a chance for a callous to form.

Do most powerlifters use a hook grip? My impression is that the rare few with high pain tolerance (ever for a strength athlete) and/or truly bad grip strength use the hook grip, but I may be wrong.
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In my experience, very few use hook grip. Lots of people on the internet run their mouths about it but the reality of it is I have won two steak dinners in the last 3 years betting against guys converting to it. One of which is one of the most stubborn, determined guys I know. I ordered a T-bone and about 27 beers. It was fabulous.

You can get a pumice stone at Walgreens.

What kind of bar are you using and how sharp is the knurl?

No olympic lifter who has used the conventional grip has won a medal. I think thats the statistic anyhow.

I’m in the process of converting and I know I can’t use it yet on any max DL’s, but for warmups I use hook grip. Hurts so good.

[quote]apwsearch wrote:
What kind of bar are you using and how sharp is the knurl?[/quote]

Good point-this may be very relevant; I don’t deadlift with Beavis (my Texas Power Bar), but use the gym’s bars that have pretty dull knurling.

In my experience, very few use hook grip. Lots of people on the internet run their mouths about it but the reality of it is I have won two steak dinners in the last 3 years betting against guys converting to it. One of which is one of the most stubborn, determined guys I know. I ordered a T-bone and about 27 beers. It was fabulous.

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In his squat workout video, Louie Simmons uses the hook grip and suggests that others do as well. If it is good enough for Louie, it is good enough for me.

[quote]amw308 wrote:
In my experience, very few use hook grip. Lots of people on the internet run their mouths about it but the reality of it is I have won two steak dinners in the last 3 years betting against guys converting to it. One of which is one of the most stubborn, determined guys I know. I ordered a T-bone and about 27 beers. It was fabulous.

In his squat workout video, Louie Simmons uses the hook grip and suggests that others do as well. If it is good enough for Louie, it is good enough for me. [/quote]

He may suggest it, but the reality is not many do it in competition.

In theory it puts you in a better position than mixed grip and also can prevent tearing a bicep, but very few powerlifters use it in competition.

[quote]amw308 wrote:
In my experience, very few use hook grip. Lots of people on the internet run their mouths about it but the reality of it is I have won two steak dinners in the last 3 years betting against guys converting to it. One of which is one of the most stubborn, determined guys I know. I ordered a T-bone and about 27 beers. It was fabulous.

In his squat workout video, Louie Simmons uses the hook grip and suggests that others do as well. If it is good enough for Louie, it is good enough for me. [/quote]

And if Louie said shoving a dumbbell handle up your arse would give you better explosion outta the hole would you do it?

OP, callouses will typically tear where the callous meets the softer skin on your hand. That’s the week point, and if you build up TOO much of a callous then something has to give and it’s often where right at the joing of the 2 differen textures of skin.

Keeping them ground down should help…

[quote]Hanley wrote:
amw308 wrote:
In my experience, very few use hook grip. Lots of people on the internet run their mouths about it but the reality of it is I have won two steak dinners in the last 3 years betting against guys converting to it. One of which is one of the most stubborn, determined guys I know. I ordered a T-bone and about 27 beers. It was fabulous.

In his squat workout video, Louie Simmons uses the hook grip and suggests that others do as well. If it is good enough for Louie, it is good enough for me.

And if Louie said shoving a dumbbell handle up your arse would give you better explosion outta the hole would you do it?

Olympic or standard?

[quote]Hanley wrote:
amw308 wrote:
In my experience, very few use hook grip. Lots of people on the internet run their mouths about it but the reality of it is I have won two steak dinners in the last 3 years betting against guys converting to it. One of which is one of the most stubborn, determined guys I know. I ordered a T-bone and about 27 beers. It was fabulous.

In his squat workout video, Louie Simmons uses the hook grip and suggests that others do as well. If it is good enough for Louie, it is good enough for me.

And if Louie said shoving a dumbbell handle up your arse would give you better explosion outta the hole would you do it?

OP, callouses will typically tear where the callous meets the softer skin on your hand. That’s the week point, and if you build up TOO much of a callous then something has to give and it’s often where right at the joing of the 2 differen textures of skin.

Keeping them ground down should help…
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He’s right, listen to him.

Hey tuna I would keep pushing ahead. You’ve got three weeks to Nats. I would grind it out for the next couple of weeks and then back off for the last week and a half and focus on GMs or something you don’t have to hold like a dead to let the skin heal before the comp. and keep your callouses ground down.

You can just use a metal file from the hardware store. More effective and will last years longer than a pumice stone.

[quote]amw308 wrote:
In his squat workout video, Louie Simmons uses the hook grip and suggests that others do as well. If it is good enough for Louie, it is good enough for me. [/quote]

Hey guys! Over here quick!!!

Look!!! I found one!!!

Does anybody use an over/under grip but hook the hand that is over?