Hey. Just curious to know how much increase have you got to your deadlift after a period of not deadlifting?
I got about ten kilos over a few months, can’t remember exactly how long. I cleaned,high pulled,squatted marginally etc.
I got 35 lbs. over about 5 months recently. I squatted a lot of this period. Olympic squats, by the way.
I hit a 45 lbs PR from 430 to 475 in a time when I was just doing squats and rack pulls, in a period of about a month or two.
35 lbs
GOOD MORNING
minus a lot!
[quote]IainK wrote:
minus a lot![/quote]
Same
Goodmornings and Box squats.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
IainK wrote:
minus a lot!
Same[/quote]
ditto
[quote]robo1 wrote:
johnnytang24 wrote:
IainK wrote:
minus a lot!
Same
ditto[/quote]
Et moi aussi!
The theory behind it is nice, but unless you’re at least practicing the exercise with 80-90% weights then I don’t think there’s any carryover.
There’s good carryover from the squat, after each smolov i increase my deadlift. Not by much, but a PR is a PR.
The reason I like to deadlift more infrequently is that personally, I notice more carryover from the sqat to the deadlift than vice versa, so it makes sense for me to squat more often.
I think I am the only person in the world who feels the opposite way. When I squat, my low back strength was originally holding me back. Deadlifting has helped greatly in that area. I also try to maximally recruit my posterior chain when squatting, so deadlifts naturally carryover well with this as well. I still do both twice a week, squats before deadlifts on the same day. By far the hardest two days of the week.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
robo1 wrote:
johnnytang24 wrote:
IainK wrote:
minus a lot!
Same
ditto
Et moi aussi!
The theory behind it is nice, but unless you’re at least practicing the exercise with 80-90% weights then I don’t think there’s any carryover.[/quote]
Likewise, I think the two factors as to why I lost a few kg off my dead were being able to grip and also mentally lift a large amount of weight from “dead” (squatting the weight is “active” as you have to de-rack it first).
If I may, I am going to see if I can follow a train of thought.
I believe that psychologically the exercises that have the user starting from a “dead” position ie the weight is imobile on the ground are harder than exercises that have the user starting from an “active” position ie the weight is in the air.
The two great examples are the deadlift and the olympic squat, personally I have to get more “psych’d” up whilst doing deadlifts than squats even though they are within about 10kg of each other. When I lift the bar off the squat rack and its on my traps there is nowhere to hide. However with the deadlift the weight starts from when you touch it you go straight into the lift. Exposed again but not trapped, easier to walk away etc. I found the solution was to equivocate holding on to the bar before the deadlift in the same manner as I would derack before squatting.
…damn my train of thought has ended. It’s all stopped raining which means I can now cycle to the gym to do some squats.
Got a 397 lbs deadlift PR at the second week of Smolov base mesocycle (this had some funny consequences at the third week), after nearly month without pulling
I thought that I got the Holy Grail of deadlift improvement. After the Smolov, I started my usual deadlift progression and 385 was HARD on the grip, decided to back off again, after two weeks 374 was HARD on the grip.
Now I’m starting deadlifts again. I don’t draw any general conclusions from this experience, but will know better for myself in the future.
[quote]mldj wrote:
Got a 397 lbs deadlift PR at the second week of Smolov base mesocycle (this had some funny consequences at the third week), after nearly month without pulling
I thought that I got the Holy Grail of deadlift improvement. After the Smolov, I started my usual deadlift progression and 385 was HARD on the grip, decided to back off again, after two weeks 374 was HARD on the grip.
Now I’m starting deadlifts again. I don’t draw any general conclusions from this experience, but will know better for myself in the future.[/quote]
The conclusion is when doing a high volume of squats, and sweet FA deadlifting, it is important to train your grip hard!
[quote]echelon101 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
robo1 wrote:
johnnytang24 wrote:
IainK wrote:
minus a lot!
Same
ditto
Et moi aussi!
The theory behind it is nice, but unless you’re at least practicing the exercise with 80-90% weights then I don’t think there’s any carryover.
Likewise, I think the two factors as to why I lost a few kg off my dead were being able to grip and also mentally lift a large amount of weight from “dead” (squatting the weight is “active” as you have to de-rack it first).
If I may, I am going to see if I can follow a train of thought.
I believe that psychologically the exercises that have the user starting from a “dead” position ie the weight is imobile on the ground are harder than exercises that have the user starting from an “active” position ie the weight is in the air.
The two great examples are the deadlift and the olympic squat, personally I have to get more “psych’d” up whilst doing deadlifts than squats even though they are within about 10kg of each other. When I lift the bar off the squat rack and its on my traps there is nowhere to hide. However with the deadlift the weight starts from when you touch it you go straight into the lift. Exposed again but not trapped, easier to walk away etc. I found the solution was to equivocate holding on to the bar before the deadlift in the same manner as I would derack before squatting.
…damn my train of thought has ended. It’s all stopped raining which means I can now cycle to the gym to do some squats.[/quote]
It’s mentally harder for me to squat since the weight is sitting there on your back, deadlifts I feel fine without having to mentally prepare myself.
When my squat goes up my deadlift goes up, and vice versa.
lets see, I never trained DL directly, so when I first started out, from just squats, I went from 315 to 385 and 405 with straps with in a year.
10lbs higher.
I got a 30 lb deadlift PR, from 605 to 635 without deadlfiting for 3 weeks in between attempts, excepting stiff-leg deadlifts, sumo deadlifts, and rack pulls from just under the knee. And hang-cleans.