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Deadlift/Bench Press Belt?

Aights I’ll try it out. Awkward if I’ve been doing it sub optimally the whole time. If it works better or even more consistently I might just stay beltless all the way which is kinda not the point of the thread but oh well

Where does the belt come into it then. Like mechanism wise. Is it just more compression to push against. With a belt can u get away with less than perfect muscular bracing?

More lucky you didn’t get hurt. That’s how I had to learn

It’s protective, especially of chronic wear and tear. Pays off in the long run.

It also adds a degree of weight you can lift, because it does increase pressure. If you aren’t bracing correctly thay can be a problem, because it adds load to an unstable spine, while making you feel stable.

What happens when you brace correctly is that you’re safer AND stronger, and when you combine it with a belt that further increases.

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Not really. It hides the issue, and lets you add weight. Is problem

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So like I can still buy a sexy as pioneer belt tho yeah?

I’ve heard so many different cues for this,

  • Draw down (as in draw down your ribs instead of puffing out your chest)
  • Pretend like you are about to be punched in the stomach (not like everyone experiences this all that often)
  • Pretend like you are walking into a cold lake (worst one…)

I don’t know why it’s never “flex your abs, breath into your belly using your nose, and then breath in more through your mouth” but I’ve never had to try and coach anyone so I guess it’s for a reason.

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One of the best things Dave Tate ever taught me was this. ( he’s taught me a lot but this was golden )

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Y dis good?

If you do it correctly while bracing you can maximize the amount of air you pull in for ultimate tightness.

Basically if you breath through your mouth THEN try breathing through your nose you can’t get extra air. But if you do nose first, then mouth, you get a tiny bit extra air that just sets the pressure over the top.

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I tried that and it makes my head feel like it’s going to explode. It works for some people though.

If wearing a belt doesn’t add anything to your deadlift then it’s not necessary. I get something out of pulling with a belt, but not nearly as much as squatting with one. A thinner belt doesn’t give you much to brace against, unless you have a very short torso and a normal belt digs into your ribs it’s probably a waste of time. People wear thin belts for equipped bench to hold their shirt down, I can’t think of any raw lifter who wears a bench belt.

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You guys. I forget sometimes how much PL’ers analyze this stuff. I never use a belt. I own a lovely Inzer 13mm lever. I doubt I’ve put it in 20 times, it wouldn’t even qualify as broken in (Although it broke a prong the first few times that I wore it). I found it super counterproductive on Log Press, and generally of no value on any lift. At any tightness, any style. It just isn’t valuable for some guys. You’re better off training without it for the most part if you rain for 1 RM or strength in general. BBers might end up with thicker waists than they shoot for. Build your own belt, it’s better for you overall anyway. If the belt helps, save it for maximal stuff -vit will still help even if you only use it for that. Some guys really just don’t get anything out of it.

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Then you won’t know how to use it properly.

My heuristic for if I should use a belt is I’d force the rest of my body to wait to develop just because my core sucks. I’d rather use a belt, and work on my core so that I can squat and deadlift heavier weights. It’s also a great cue for me to push out against. If the only benefit was the cue, there are other alternatives (such as belts that don’t provide much in the way of support).

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I see your line of reasoning, and many share it. My experience tells me that it is faulty though. The best way to develop your core is doing the lifts without support. Overhead squats are axcellent as well. There is not much of a learning curve to a belt, and I don’t get much from it because caore is not my limiting factor. Mostly I credit that to having trained without a belt for a long time before deciding I ought to give it a go (Because all of these PLers I knew were so in love with belts). Support equipment certainly has a place, but I think it is generally overused which really results in under-development. If a guy can squat 800 lbs, but can’t squat 500 without the belt, he has a problem from my viewpoint.

Maybe if you start with a healthy foundation :man_shrugging: I have kyphosis

Read up to this video. Actually gonna comment on the pull instead of the belt topic. If you slow the video down, your hips remain motionless and raising your back is what breaks the floor. Your pull would be a lot stronger if you used that back motion to pull the bar close and put tension into it then drive with the legs. Slow your clip then slow one of mine and you’ll see what I mean

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Very Konstantin Konstantinovs of you. May he RIP

Well I am a manlet

When do u get your breaths?

I’ll try it. I’ve been playing with wedging/pulling slack recently.

When I wedge into it a lot the bar kinda starts or at least feels like it’s breaking the ground and then I feel like I’m late on initiating the pull and have wasted energy just holding that slack.

The timing isn’t down right if you know what i mean.

Right before I pull. Look at some videos on my training log, I grab the bar and do a couple of hip pumps and before I do the last one and pull I take a breath and brace harder. There are different ways to do it, this is just what I have found works best for me. I used to just kind of sit in the bottom position for a couple seconds while I set my grip, took a breath, and braced, but for some reason the hip pumping thing makes it feel better.

Are you using a stiff bar or DL bar? Before I started using a DL bar it never felt like there was any slack to pull out, switching to a DL bar really threw me off at first. I think you have to pull like 700+ on a stiff bar for there to be any slack worth thinking about.

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I’ll try all the ways I guess

Noodle bar.

With calibrated plates there’s not mucho whip to the DL bar until those big weights. With bumpers it whips as much with like 400. I’m set up at home with bumpers to distribute weight farther out to maximise cheating. Will be fun to use the extra whip for a while

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Update to this thread in case anyone googled it or something: implemented the tips to breath and brace at a fundamental level better but also bought a 3 inch wide, 6.5mm thick belt which I used today. Felt much better and less restrictive if not super supportive but having pulled mostly beltless it’s straight up as good or better so I’ll stick with it

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