[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
ZEB wrote:
mertdawg wrote:
Well for this guy, bodyweight is a tool. If he lost 40 pounds, his deadlift would probably go up 20-30 pounds without him getting any stronger.
That is pure conjecture on your part. In most cases weight helps.
I don’t think that you can compare strength between guys of different weight by dividing by bodyweight. In some lifts, you have to move your bodyweight and in others you don’t.
Actually I think that argument has no merit. Why do you think that they have body weight classes?
The bigger man should be lifting more. And in most cases he does.
Also, a 300 pound guy with a 30 inch vertical impresses me more than a 150 pound guy with a 30 inch vertical. The 300 pound guy is twice the force on the field as the 150 pounder.
Yea, I agree. When it comes to moving pure bodyweight you have a point. It’s also impressive to see a 250 pound football player run a fast 40.
No argument on that one.
Did any of you pseudo-scientific dickwads that love to nitpick any weight lifting feat ever hear about the various FORMULA for comparing weight classes and lifts?
The reason for the various FORMULA is because comparison of weights lifted is not a linear pound for pound comparision. A bigger man has bigger bones, more blood/fluid and to put it more generally, more fucking stuff in his body that has nothing to do with moving a weight!
I always love these neat little bwt. to bwt. comparisons you nitwits do on this web site - at one time, so many of you are far ahead of the curve in terms of knowledge over the average gym dickhead and, at the same time, you average gym dickheads manage to write stupid shit on these pages in spite of the information on these pages on on the internet in general.
And finally, to those of us who actually lift and compete, its generally WELL ACCEPTED that, unlike the bench press and squat, weight gain generally does not result in a bigger DL. Let me quantify that furthe - lean mass gain I’d say yes, you’re getting stronger and your DL will be stronger all other things equal. But just gaining plain ol fucking mass - especially around the middle, generally doesn’t help your DL - it hinders it.
If I remember the various polls on these various pages about member’s max DL and such, more than half of you here cannot lift half of this for 3 reps. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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I’m on your side with the 700 at 300+ being more impressive than 500 at whatever, but the average deadlift from that poll was 447. Here’s a spreadsheet. Also 2.2x bodyweight, but who cares.
DeadliftBW DL/BW
435 205
407 220
515 235
585 195
585 305
455 205
425 175
485 165
410 170
400 185
485 270
375 170
375 215
310 150
350 160
440 180
425 205
530 162
500 198
477 178
425 198
425 275
365 165
470 195
540 200
11194 4981
447.76 199.24 2.247339892
The formula’s for comparing across weight classes are flawed because they are based on actual totals of elite lifters in the category. For example, because Ed Coan was so far ahead at 220, the formula made it harder for a 220 pound guy to get a high score.