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Dbol Stopping Natural T Production


#1

Hello how is everyone. I am wondering.... I know everyone's body react different to drugs but is there an educated estimate of when your natural hormones stop producing when taking dianabol. Is it immediately?


#2

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Hello how is everyone. I am wondering… I know everyone’s body react different to drugs but is there an educated estimate of when your natural hormones stop producing when taking dianabol. Is it immediately?[/quote]

I answer yes. One of the main reasons being because you need to take sensible amount of dbol to have any kind of reason to use it in the first place. It’s one if not the strongest orals there are.

Basically you cannot just think to do one day cycle, hope to gain a lot of strength ( you’re thinking about strength aren’t you? hehe ) and walk away next day like nothing ever happened. Also dbol has very short half life.


#3

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Hello how is everyone. I am wondering… I know everyone’s body react different to drugs but is there an educated estimate of when your natural hormones stop producing when taking dianabol. Is it immediately?[/quote]

huh?

do you mean like as soon as you swallow the tab, or as soon it’s metabolized?


#4

I apologize. I should have been clear. I have low t. My doctor tested me and saw this on multiple hormone blood tests. I switched insurance and they wanted me to test again. However i have been off of test cyp for about 8 months. My labs show low but not low enough. I know my levels fluctuate however they need to be low in order to get my 100 mg test a week. I have a blood draw friday. I took 25mg dbol monday and only 12mg yesterday. Im wondering will my hormone levels show low on friday morning.


#5

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
I apologize. I should have been clear. I have low t. My doctor tested me and saw this on multiple hormone blood tests. I switched insurance and they wanted me to test again. However i have been off of test cyp for about 8 months. My labs show low but not low enough. I know my levels fluctuate however they need to be low in order to get my 100 mg test a week. I have a blood draw friday. I took 25mg dbol monday and only 12mg yesterday. Im wondering will my hormone levels show low on friday morning.[/quote]

I doubt anyone will know for certain… this really isn’t a common issue (using an oral to drop natural T after 3 days)

why don’t u self-medicate with test C? waaaaay cheaper and less of a hassle


#6

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
I apologize. I should have been clear. I have low t. My doctor tested me and saw this on multiple hormone blood tests. I switched insurance and they wanted me to test again. However i have been off of test cyp for about 8 months. My labs show low but not low enough. I know my levels fluctuate however they need to be low in order to get my 100 mg test a week. I have a blood draw friday. I took 25mg dbol monday and only 12mg yesterday. Im wondering will my hormone levels show low on friday morning.[/quote]

ahh…

well, d-bol’s got a very quick half-life in the body. there’s even a theory floating around that AM-only doses will lead to very minimal suppression…

i suspect the d-bol will cause a little suppression on your test. however, you need to remember that if your doc orders another test…


#7

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
I apologize. I should have been clear. I have low t. My doctor tested me and saw this on multiple hormone blood tests. I switched insurance and they wanted me to test again. However i have been off of test cyp for about 8 months. My labs show low but not low enough. I know my levels fluctuate however they need to be low in order to get my 100 mg test a week. I have a blood draw friday. I took 25mg dbol monday and only 12mg yesterday. Im wondering will my hormone levels show low on friday morning.[/quote]

Pretty interesting scenario.
Because of the half life of dbol many will split what ever dose they take per day to sustain more sensible blood levels, that would definitely do the trick but not by friday bro… I don’t think you can lower it by any means in just one day.

Imo best bet is to use some of the shorter acting testosterones ( obviously not nebido or similar long acting stuff ). Even a gel ( testogel ) will do the trick if your skin absorps it. With a shot wait for a 2-3 weeks and you propably are at the bottom levels ( i’m mainly referring sustanon 250 with the shot ) but it’s impossible to say exactly.

Keep in mind that in some cases and countries the testosterone scales are bit different. My country doesn’t specify them by age and that’s a real problem. You could be on the low end in your 30’s and most doctors will assume since it’s in “normal range that can be found from males 70 years old” you’re not having any hypogonadism etc.

There’s still alot of doctors with minimal knowledge about testosterone and it’s health effects rather than realize the effects of having low testo.

Bottom line, if you’re on the low end and your doctor refuses to give you trt, you need to change doctors!


#8

Yes your absolutely right. Unfortunately my new doctor is the VA. So I really don’t have much of a choice hence why I’m going through great lengths for this hormone blood work.


#9

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Yes your absolutely right. Unfortunately my new doctor is the VA. So I really don’t have much of a choice hence why I’m going through great lengths for this hormone blood work.[/quote]

Is your doc testing lh and fsh?


#10

All I was told was lipid, cbc, comprehensive, and testosterone levels. That was their exact answer when asked about the details of the blood work. Why do you ask? I feel like you might have some insight lol.


#11

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Yes your absolutely right. Unfortunately my new doctor is the VA. So I really don’t have much of a choice hence why I’m going through great lengths for this hormone blood work.[/quote]

interesting.

i’m switching to them as my main provider, and am looking at getting on TRT myself, unless they don’t treat it very aggressively.


#12

Yeah. Well first i have to test low and then my primary care will refer me to an endocrinologist. From there i dont know. I’m just tired of hot flashes and waking up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat. Always being tired as hell sucks a lot too. Hopefully this works or i might have to take the risk and self medicate. But that of course brings other issues like reliable sources under dose meds and jail time lol.


#13

I’ll let you guys know how it goes. Took labs today. Funny thing I started having hot flashes right before they called me to draw.


#14

Couldn’t simple things like getting drunk and eating poorly the night before tank your test levels? I mean if your baseline test levels are already low it shouldn’t be too hard to crash your test levels enough


#15

won’t act fast enough to your t-levels either of those.


#16

[quote]Facepalm_Death wrote:
Couldn’t simple things like getting drunk and eating poorly the night before tank your test levels? I mean if your baseline test levels are already low it shouldn’t be too hard to crash your test levels enough[/quote]

possibly. i’m not sure how consistent that is, though…

there is also some data that shows alcohol temporarily boosts testosterone levels, but i think it’s due to a decrease in androgen receptors.


#17

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Yeah. Well first i have to test low and then my primary care will refer me to an endocrinologist. From there i dont know. I’m just tired of hot flashes and waking up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat. Always being tired as hell sucks a lot too. Hopefully this works or i might have to take the risk and self medicate. But that of course brings other issues like reliable sources under dose meds and jail time lol. [/quote]

do you have any gyno or water retention, or other side effects of high estrogen?

this might be worth investigating, as well…

i had my appt with the VA the other day, and asked the doc to test estrogen, and he just told me to lose weight. at least he ordered labs for testosterone, full thyroid panel (i’m hypothyroid since Iraq, btw) and vitamin D levels…

i intend on going through a private lab to get estrogen this next week.


#18

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Yeah. Well first i have to test low and then my primary care will refer me to an endocrinologist. From there i dont know. I’m just tired of hot flashes and waking up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat. Always being tired as hell sucks a lot too. Hopefully this works or i might have to take the risk and self medicate. But that of course brings other issues like reliable sources under dose meds and jail time lol. [/quote]

do you have any gyno or water retention, or other side effects of high estrogen?

this might be worth investigating, as well…

i had my appt with the VA the other day, and asked the doc to test estrogen, and he just told me to lose weight. at least he ordered labs for testosterone, full thyroid panel (i’m hypothyroid since Iraq, btw) and vitamin D levels…

i intend on going through a private lab to get estrogen this next week.[/quote]

One time i asked one of my GP doctors if he could test my estrogen. He laughed at me and said “youre not a female”.

Needless to say i wanted to choke him out.


#19

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Yeah. Well first i have to test low and then my primary care will refer me to an endocrinologist. From there i dont know. I’m just tired of hot flashes and waking up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat. Always being tired as hell sucks a lot too. Hopefully this works or i might have to take the risk and self medicate. But that of course brings other issues like reliable sources under dose meds and jail time lol. [/quote]

do you have any gyno or water retention, or other side effects of high estrogen?

this might be worth investigating, as well…

i had my appt with the VA the other day, and asked the doc to test estrogen, and he just told me to lose weight. at least he ordered labs for testosterone, full thyroid panel (i’m hypothyroid since Iraq, btw) and vitamin D levels…

i intend on going through a private lab to get estrogen this next week.[/quote]

One time i asked one of my GP doctors if he could test my estrogen. He laughed at me and said “youre not a female”.

Needless to say i wanted to choke him out.
[/quote]

yeah, it’s crazy…

i’m particularly annoyed, as i’m trying to do things above board, and finding that it’s a waste of my time.

at least there are a lot of new options as far as getting bloodwork done on one’s own, “research chemicals,” etc…


#20

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]Savorysteak wrote:
Yeah. Well first i have to test low and then my primary care will refer me to an endocrinologist. From there i dont know. I’m just tired of hot flashes and waking up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat. Always being tired as hell sucks a lot too. Hopefully this works or i might have to take the risk and self medicate. But that of course brings other issues like reliable sources under dose meds and jail time lol. [/quote]

do you have any gyno or water retention, or other side effects of high estrogen?

this might be worth investigating, as well…

i had my appt with the VA the other day, and asked the doc to test estrogen, and he just told me to lose weight. at least he ordered labs for testosterone, full thyroid panel (i’m hypothyroid since Iraq, btw) and vitamin D levels…

i intend on going through a private lab to get estrogen this next week.[/quote]

One time i asked one of my GP doctors if he could test my estrogen. He laughed at me and said “youre not a female”.

Needless to say i wanted to choke him out.
[/quote]

Yeah that’s like the problem in a nutshell regarding doctors. I have to most likely pay for a private doctor to get Estrogens checked aswell. Had to do it to get TRT even though my free testosterone was much lower than minimum, and total testosterone a bit over minimum.