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Dbol PCT

[quote]tfreakz55 wrote:
apparently you didnt read that at all. The point was, that serious weight lifters who diet well and train hard, will keep a significant amount of their gains. Test def helps a cycle a ton, im not gonna argue that. Im just saying dbol can be used solo effectively. A lot of people say you wont put on any muscle mass at all, which is complete nonsense. Bottom line is that most begginers will shy away from needles simply because it can be intimidating. No reason to shone them for startin with dbol.[/quote]

How old are you?

Any point you are attempting to make is lost in a frothing swamp of poor syntax, grammar and spelling.

[quote]tfreakz55 wrote:
Adding test to a cycle, makes the sides that much worse dude. You may have seen people put on that kind of weight with test alone, but that was probobly over a three or four month span. With an 8 to 12 week cycle of dbol, you could achieve the same results. The sides might be a little bit worse but most people who stay at a reasonable dosage wont experience any sides at all. I asked the questions so i could get peoples opinions, not cause i didnt know. You just assume i dont know anything. I have been a natrual bodybuilder for 7 years. I have done months of research on steroids. I just like to get everyones perspective.[/quote]

But you haven’t done an actual cycle in real life, right?

[quote]Cortes wrote:

But you haven’t done an actual cycle in real life, right?[/quote]

The $64000 $

Of course he hasn’t. But he thinks it’s ok to come here and cut and paste other peoples reactions with dbol as if every single person here hasn’t used the drug before.

OP youre getting annoying. Do your damn dbol cycle and shut the hell up.

OP if you want to prove us wrong and show us how effective a dbol cycle is do this. Take a set of ‘before’ pics. 4 basic poses and hold up a dated newspaper the picture. Take another set at the 4 week point, with a newspaper. Then take another set in the last week of PCT, with the date.

You still didn’t read about class I/class II synergy, did you?

Fact dbol only sucks.
Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
Fact ‘most’ anything without test is not efficient.
Fact coming here quoting from other sites and random googly searchs doesnt show you know or understand things.
Fact dbol will make you gain ‘weight’ and you will lose it just as fast even with pct.
Fact i know a tenth of what these guys know, and i have given you all the knowledge you need on your dbol only cycle.

Run some test first cycle like everyone else whatch your muscles explode.

[quote]albig wrote:
Fact dbol only sucks.
Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
Fact anything without test is not efficient.
Fact coming here quoting from other sites and random googly searchs doesnt show you know or understand things.
Fact dbol will make you gain ‘weight’ and you will lose it just as fast even with pct.
Fact i know a tenth of what these guys know, and i have given you all the knowledge you need on your dbol only cycle.

Run some test first cycle like everyone else whatch your muscles explode.[/quote]

Your third line isn’t a fact. Test is a nice addition to most cycles. But there are times and places to omit it. That is all. Carry on

Okee doke, i will post before and after pics.

[quote]tfreakz55 wrote:
Okee doke, i will post before and after pics. [/quote]

Alright. Before, during, and 4 weeks AFTER PCT

Be thorough for the sake of science. Most muscular, Ab + thigh, rear lat spread, front double bi should work.

bonez your right but cruel. OP FYI, I started all of my research here and have a lot of reasources on hand, some are competitive bodybuilders. I have gained most of my knowledge from people such as bonez, furious george, cortes, brooks and etc.

Listen to these guys, they know what they are talking about, i went about wrong ways in the beginning and fucked up a lot, paid for it for a year trying to get my body back to normal.

If you are not ready to run test with a cycle, then i think you shouldnt run a cycle at all. I see these guys at a college that i train some professors in, they ask me about dbol only cycles all the time. And my answer is " its great for short term benefits" you will gain a lot of water weight, get a moon face, you will have outstanding pumps, maybe even gain a few pounds. but honestly, after yo ustart seeing the sides of AAS, you will realize the mistake. Just like i did,

My moto was always “smart people learn from other peoples mistakes, but strong people learn from their own” well dont apply this rule when talking about your hormones.

Hope your cycles goes well and you learn your lesson with the least negative sides. If you have a problem with the sides we would more than love to give you advice, as long as this time you would listen. See you after your first cycle…

cheers

t-beast

[quote]vontraps wrote:
Seeing as how you are saying test is hard to find, I would imagine that your dbol was easy to find, making me wonder if you have ordered from some “legal steroids” site. Any dealer I have ever known willing to sell someone dbol was more than willing to sell a bottle of test too. [/quote]

THIS RIGHT HERE IS A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT MOST ARE MISSING. I have NEVER known anyone who could easily get dbol but was unable to get testosterone.

[quote]albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.

[quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.

[quote]Justayoungen wrote:
albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.
[/quote]

Cool post brah

Are you talking about the same book that are read by the doctors who prescribe testosterone cypionate twice a month?

What is the point of your post? Go start random arguments in a PM if you feel the need.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.

Cool post brah

Are you talking about the same book that are read by the doctors who prescribe testosterone cypionate twice a month?

What is the point of your post? Go start random arguments in a PM if you feel the need. [/quote]

What book are you referencing?

Injection frequency of 2x a month is much more for patient adherence, ease, and liability than for stable blood levels. The point is, you guys make this pseudo-mystic about these compounds, like you need some advanced degree to figure out how they work. By saying med school does not prepare one to figure this out, he is implying that only one with VERY advanced education is capable of “figuring them out.” It is just not true.

Not sure what I did to upset you, my friend, are the mod on this board?

[quote]Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.

Cool post brah

Are you talking about the same book that are read by the doctors who prescribe testosterone cypionate twice a month?

What is the point of your post? Go start random arguments in a PM if you feel the need.

What book are you referencing?

Injection frequency of 2x a month is much more for patient adherence, ease, and liability than for stable blood levels. The point is, you guys make this pseudo-mystic about these compounds, like you need some advanced degree to figure out how they work. By saying med school does not prepare one to figure this out, he is implying that only one with VERY advanced education is capable of “figuring them out.” It is just not true.

Not sure what I did to upset you, my friend, are the mod on this board?
[/quote]

I know why it’s prescribed the way it is. And most here are also aware of the ways to keep blood levels stable.

I’m not upset by you at all. I have no idea who you are. I also have no idea why you felt the need to take a shot at someone in a random thread. Is it just an ego thing? Or maybe it was just one of those moods one gets in.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.

Cool post brah

Are you talking about the same book that are read by the doctors who prescribe testosterone cypionate twice a month?

What is the point of your post? Go start random arguments in a PM if you feel the need.

What book are you referencing?

Injection frequency of 2x a month is much more for patient adherence, ease, and liability than for stable blood levels. The point is, you guys make this pseudo-mystic about these compounds, like you need some advanced degree to figure out how they work. By saying med school does not prepare one to figure this out, he is implying that only one with VERY advanced education is capable of “figuring them out.” It is just not true.

Not sure what I did to upset you, my friend, are the mod on this board?

I know why it’s prescribed the way it is. And most here are also aware of the ways to keep blood levels stable.

I’m not upset by you at all. I have no idea who you are. I also have no idea why you felt the need to take a shot at someone in a random thread. Is it just an ego thing? Or maybe it was just one of those moods one gets in. [/quote]

Well if you knew that, then why would you reference it as some proof of ignorance on part of the physician? I explained why I mentioned it, because it incorrectly gives this label to these compounds. This forum likes to pretend like they are some elitist group of drug users; as if they are the only ones who can figure out how to use them effectively. “I am in med school, and I still can’t figure them out.” He can’t figure them out because of some other reason, having nothing to do with the complexity of the compounds themselves. Anyone with a good sense in basic science and math should be able to figure out how to use them just fine.

[quote]Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.

Cool post brah

Are you talking about the same book that are read by the doctors who prescribe testosterone cypionate twice a month?

What is the point of your post? Go start random arguments in a PM if you feel the need.

What book are you referencing?

Injection frequency of 2x a month is much more for patient adherence, ease, and liability than for stable blood levels. The point is, you guys make this pseudo-mystic about these compounds, like you need some advanced degree to figure out how they work. By saying med school does not prepare one to figure this out, he is implying that only one with VERY advanced education is capable of “figuring them out.” It is just not true.

Not sure what I did to upset you, my friend, are the mod on this board?

I know why it’s prescribed the way it is. And most here are also aware of the ways to keep blood levels stable.

I’m not upset by you at all. I have no idea who you are. I also have no idea why you felt the need to take a shot at someone in a random thread. Is it just an ego thing? Or maybe it was just one of those moods one gets in.

Well if you knew that, then why would you reference it as some proof of ignorance on part of the physician? I explained why I mentioned it, because it incorrectly gives this label to these compounds. This forum likes to pretend like they are some elitist group of drug users; as if they are the only ones who can figure out how to use them effectively. “I am in med school, and I still can’t figure them out.” He can’t figure them out because of some other reason, having nothing to do with the complexity of the compounds themselves. Anyone with a good sense in basic science and math should be able to figure out how to use them just fine. [/quote]

Elitist? Have you been introduced to the Kettle yet?

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.

Cool post brah

Are you talking about the same book that are read by the doctors who prescribe testosterone cypionate twice a month?

What is the point of your post? Go start random arguments in a PM if you feel the need.

What book are you referencing?

Injection frequency of 2x a month is much more for patient adherence, ease, and liability than for stable blood levels. The point is, you guys make this pseudo-mystic about these compounds, like you need some advanced degree to figure out how they work. By saying med school does not prepare one to figure this out, he is implying that only one with VERY advanced education is capable of “figuring them out.” It is just not true.

Not sure what I did to upset you, my friend, are the mod on this board?

I know why it’s prescribed the way it is. And most here are also aware of the ways to keep blood levels stable.

I’m not upset by you at all. I have no idea who you are. I also have no idea why you felt the need to take a shot at someone in a random thread. Is it just an ego thing? Or maybe it was just one of those moods one gets in.

Well if you knew that, then why would you reference it as some proof of ignorance on part of the physician? I explained why I mentioned it, because it incorrectly gives this label to these compounds. This forum likes to pretend like they are some elitist group of drug users; as if they are the only ones who can figure out how to use them effectively. “I am in med school, and I still can’t figure them out.” He can’t figure them out because of some other reason, having nothing to do with the complexity of the compounds themselves. Anyone with a good sense in basic science and math should be able to figure out how to use them just fine.

Elitist? Have you been introduced to the Kettle yet? [/quote]

LOL, witty, but I am afraid I don’t understand? How have I, in any way, presented myself as an elitist??? Certainly not because I pointed out that steroids are not the most complicated drugs on earth, that only medical graduates can understand?

[quote]Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Justayoungen wrote:
albig wrote:

Fact ive learned more from people on this site than all research i can find on my own in first year of med school.
quote]

If you are actually in med school and you are incapable of deciphering a adequate dosing protocol for simple drugs like synthetic androgens, you will not make it, my friend. Simple chemistry and maybe BASIC pharmkin are more than enough to figure it out, on your own.

Cool post brah

Are you talking about the same book that are read by the doctors who prescribe testosterone cypionate twice a month?

What is the point of your post? Go start random arguments in a PM if you feel the need.

What book are you referencing?

Injection frequency of 2x a month is much more for patient adherence, ease, and liability than for stable blood levels. The point is, you guys make this pseudo-mystic about these compounds, like you need some advanced degree to figure out how they work. By saying med school does not prepare one to figure this out, he is implying that only one with VERY advanced education is capable of “figuring them out.” It is just not true.

Not sure what I did to upset you, my friend, are the mod on this board?

I know why it’s prescribed the way it is. And most here are also aware of the ways to keep blood levels stable.

I’m not upset by you at all. I have no idea who you are. I also have no idea why you felt the need to take a shot at someone in a random thread. Is it just an ego thing? Or maybe it was just one of those moods one gets in.

Well if you knew that, then why would you reference it as some proof of ignorance on part of the physician? I explained why I mentioned it, because it incorrectly gives this label to these compounds. This forum likes to pretend like they are some elitist group of drug users; as if they are the only ones who can figure out how to use them effectively. “I am in med school, and I still can’t figure them out.” He can’t figure them out because of some other reason, having nothing to do with the complexity of the compounds themselves. Anyone with a good sense in basic science and math should be able to figure out how to use them just fine.

Elitist? Have you been introduced to the Kettle yet?

LOL, witty, but I am afraid I don’t understand? How have I, in any way, presented myself as an elitist??? Certainly not because I pointed out that steroids are not the most complicated drugs on earth, that only medical graduates can understand?[/quote]

Why did you feel the need to point out an obvious fact in the first place? To belittle someone. Go away.

There are tons of people here and elsewhere using AAS effectively and optimally. How many do you think have a medical degree? (that’s a rhetorical question, I know a lot of you text book guys dont get that sometimes)

Come on. You’re just being annyoing at this point.

This is exactly my point, so why are you arguing with me? You of all people, antagonize people without provocation on countless occasions. Please let’s not pretend like you are some guardian of the mis-informed.

Justayoungen, u’ve embarrassed yourself efficiently enough, now stfu k? thx