Just my opinion, but yea, I would run it from the start just to be safe. It takes time to build up in your system so you don’t want to wait until gyno is already noticable.
I tend to wait until I need the AI. If I start to feel gyno I normally use 60mg of nolvadex for a few days while the AI is kicking in. Recently I used nolva at 60mg for 2 days then 1 at 40mg and 1 at 20mg and continued with the AI E3D after that. If you know exactly what the early signs of gyno feel like this may work for you.
Thanks alot guys…yea I have plenty of nolva…which seems better to stop gyno after you already have the symptoms, where as an AI is more preventative. And I really don’t wanna over do it with the adex, that didn’t work out so well for a my training partner. I’ll probably start it at .25mg e3d if I notice excessive bloat, and take nolva immediately if I notice any gyno.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
lol I too remember when nolva was the “E control” of choice.
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lol! Yeah… 20-40mg Tamoxifen with 50mg proviron and a hell of a lot of checking the male breast!
It isnt too bad that stack actually, and i still recommend it/use it in certain situations.
Say if a fairly high E level is tolerated or wanted, or if an AI is contra-indicated for some reason - it is a worthy back up plan IME.
I use it alongside an AI for cycles i feel might be very prevalent in Estrogenic problems. I did for my 700test/600eq/350drol/175winny cycle - but found it was overkill with letro which did more than enough to remove the sides from that usually very side effect prone cycle.
As far as AI not working out well for my friend, the test he got was somewhat underdosed and he was running the dex at too high of a dose, therefore he pretty much had no estrogen. He told me his joints were hurting, he couldn’t maintain erections etc. However, I know the stuff I have is legit and I’m going to be using dbol, from everything I have gathered, gyno can be common on dbol, so I just want to prevent that the best I can while not limiting gains. A little bloat is fine…alot of bloat ehh, and puffy nips ehh. So .25 dex e3d is what I’m starting at.