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Dairy Increases Disease

Even though certain members of the strength/bodybuilding community are often interested in healthy eating and especially those of T-Nation what do think of the following:

The consumption of dairy products is linked to various allergies and also an increased risk of cancer in dairy eating communities. To add to this pasteurised and non organic dairy products contribute more so to these diseases than raw and organic products. Milk may contribute more than other dairy products but this isn’t fully understood.

It is difficult to cut out dairy products when trying to gain muscle but most healthy muscle builders tend to ignore this ?dairy problem? anyway.

I’ve read this, but I’ve found skim milk really helpful for increasing caloric intake.

Can you site any sources or studies for that… or is it just some web site?

You can make gains (or fat losses) without milk. I stopped drinking milk a long time ago. But I still eat yogurt, some cheeses and cottage cheese quite often. They seem to be much healthier alternatives to milk anyway.

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
You can make gains (or fat losses) without milk. I stopped drinking milk a long time ago. But I still eat yogurt, some cheeses and cottage cheese quite often. They seem to be much healthier alternatives to milk anyway.[/quote]

Because milk is “unhealthy”?

I thank milk for a lot of the gains I made…and that’s coming from someone who is lactose intolerant.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
You can make gains (or fat losses) without milk. I stopped drinking milk a long time ago. But I still eat yogurt, some cheeses and cottage cheese quite often. They seem to be much healthier alternatives to milk anyway.

Because milk is “unhealthy”?

I thank milk for a lot of the gains I made…and that’s coming from someone who is lactose intolerant. [/quote]

I used to drink milk. Back in the day, it helped me gain a lot of weight.

I don’t care for it anymore. I don’t think it’s necessary, and I think there are far better alternatives out there for protein sources.

An 8oz glass of milk has a whopping 8-9 grams of protein. An 8oz serving of yogurt has 10-11 grams plus all the benefits that yogurt has to offer. And an 8oz serving of cottage cheese has 24 grams of protein. Thus, the reason I believe there are far better dairy products available.

And now that I no longer drink milk, I don’t even like the taste of it anymore. And the few times where I have had milk, it usually gives me a stomach cramp or just makes me feel shitty. Yet, I can eat cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese (even ice cream), and not have any problems.

Milk. It’s not necessary to make a body good.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
You can make gains (or fat losses) without milk. I stopped drinking milk a long time ago. But I still eat yogurt, some cheeses and cottage cheese quite often. They seem to be much healthier alternatives to milk anyway.

Because milk is “unhealthy”?

I thank milk for a lot of the gains I made…and that’s coming from someone who is lactose intolerant. [/quote]

What did you do? Take lactaid or lactose free milk? Or just grin and bear it? I personally love milk for gaining and other dairy products as well. I think there is some truth to the undiagnosed allergies (not those who know they’re lactose intolerant) to dairy. Like slight congestion and bloating such that you wouldn’t notice unless you gave up dairy for awhile. I did and noticed a difference. But not enough for me to give up milk on any longterm basis. And in meals where I’m limiting carbs I drink Hood’s carb control milk.

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
You can make gains (or fat losses) without milk. I stopped drinking milk a long time ago. But I still eat yogurt, some cheeses and cottage cheese quite often. They seem to be much healthier alternatives to milk anyway.[/quote]

Like I said, I like milk. But I do think the other dairy sources you mentioned are better.

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
You can make gains (or fat losses) without milk. I stopped drinking milk a long time ago. But I still eat yogurt, some cheeses and cottage cheese quite often. They seem to be much healthier alternatives to milk anyway.[/quote]

All good and well, but the original post mentionned ‘dairy’, not just milk. Also, you should ask Dr. Lowery’s take on this. It would be more instructive than just saying ‘dairy’s bad for you’ without giving any source.

My face seems alot clearer now that I am not drinking milk. I always got the lactose free stuff but that still seemed to upset my stomach.

I seem to be fine with cheese though.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:

What did you do? Take lactaid or lactose free milk? Or just grin and bear it?
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In the past, I just took the Lactaid tablets. Now I buy the Lactose Free milk. I mix meal replacements and protein in milk unless I am really dieting down and trying to get rid of all extra calories and carbs. If I didn’t do that, I am sure I would explode given how much milk I can put away.

Sorry, haven’t got any refs with me at moment, im away travelling. However, just search the web and you will find many refs and articles from scientists, nutritionists, MDs to why milk and poss dairy in general is bad.

I studied sports science and nutrition and came across this subject a few times, it just wasnt part of my course proper however.

I’m suspicious of reports like this because the PETA et al have run studies with similar findings.

[quote]BorisTheSpider wrote:
I’m suspicious of reports like this because the PETA et al have run studies with similar findings.[/quote]

Me too, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is one such group out there which is a bunch of vegan wack jobs. Any study they perform already has the conclusion written before they bother with the research.

what are you supposed to dunk your Oreo’s in?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In the past, I just took the Lactaid tablets. Now I buy the Lactose Free milk. I mix meal replacements and protein in milk unless I am really dieting down and trying to get rid of all extra calories and carbs. If I didn’t do that, I am sure I would explode given how much milk I can put away. [/quote]

Haha. I’m sure that you can put it away real good. God bless Lactose Free.

[quote]Keith Wassung wrote:
what are you supposed to dunk your Oreo’s in?

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i think this is a vital point which must be addressed.

doublestuffed.

[quote]Rich Hand wrote:
Even though certain members of the strength/bodybuilding community are often interested in healthy eating and especially those of T-Nation what do think of the following:

The consumption of dairy products is linked to various allergies and also an increased risk of cancer in dairy eating communities. To add to this pasteurised and non organic dairy products contribute more so to these diseases than raw and organic products. Milk may contribute more than other dairy products but this isn’t fully understood.

It is difficult to cut out dairy products when trying to gain muscle but most healthy muscle builders tend to ignore this ?dairy problem? anyway.
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Dr. Michael Colgan agrees with your caption that milk causes disease, specifically cow’s milk. His contention is that for the last 30 years milk consumption has been strongly linked by more than 200 controlled studies to suppression of the human immune system, chronic immune disorders, insulin-dependent diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
(he wrote an article in his Colgan Chronicles newsletter back in 2001 addressing this issue).

Being one of the most respected nutritional scientists in the world and given the weight of evidence he has presented, I’m strongly inclined to agree with him.

After reading this article (which I would reproduce here but I just have too much respect for copyright laws), I would suggest that anyone who wants to learn more about this subject get a copy of it (2001 Colgan Chronicles, Volume 4, Number 4 - Apple Publishing). It is alarming to say the least.

[quote]gdm wrote:
Rich Hand wrote:
Even though certain members of the strength/bodybuilding community are often interested in healthy eating and especially those of T-Nation what do think of the following:

The consumption of dairy products is linked to various allergies and also an increased risk of cancer in dairy eating communities. To add to this pasteurised and non organic dairy products contribute more so to these diseases than raw and organic products. Milk may contribute more than other dairy products but this isn’t fully understood.

It is difficult to cut out dairy products when trying to gain muscle but most healthy muscle builders tend to ignore this ?dairy problem? anyway.

Dr. Michael Colgan agrees with your caption that milk causes disease, specifically cow’s milk. His contention is that for the last 30 years milk consumption has been strongly linked by more than 200 controlled studies to suppression of the human immune system, chronic immune disorders, insulin-dependent diabetes and cardiovascular disease.
(he wrote an article in his Colgan Chronicles newsletter back in 2001 addressing this issue).

Being one of the most respected nutritional scientists in the world and given the weight of evidence he has presented, I’m strongly inclined to agree with him.

After reading this article (which I would reproduce here but I just have too much respect for copyright laws), I would suggest that anyone who wants to learn more about this subject get a copy of it (2001 Colgan Chronicles, Volume 4, Number 4 - Apple Publishing). It is alarming to say the least.

I am inclined to agree with this but the point about the oreo cookies is a good one.

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Unforutunately, your wording leads me to believe this is based on correlations between population milk consumption and shifts in population health problems by an analysis of studies approach.

This also works very well with respect to sugar consumption and in fact simple overconsumption in general, as well as with the consumption of red meat.

Now, it might not be just correlation, I certainly don’t know, but there are a lot of things that have changed in society over time, and consumption of milk may not be as significant a contribution to problems as others.

For example, everyone being fat and sedentary with a lot of stress in their lives, whether or not they consume milk, would lead to similar increases in health risk.

There are people, with credentials, with all kinds of theories concerning health, longevity, food consumption and so on. They need something with pretty strong proof to convince the world that something done by a huge number of people their entire lives (consumption of milk or meat for example) is killing them.

There are disease factors correlated with any type of diet or dietary substance… to avoid them all, we’d have to not eat at all. And, clearly, that won’t work either.