If you haven't noticed, I keep putting "gains" in quotations. The reason I keep putting "gains" in quotations is because I'm referring to what many refer to as "gains" - a combination of tissue growth and water weight. I'm not saying this what I classify as "gains", I'm saying its what is often referred to as "gains" - simply stepping on a scale and classifying that weight gain as the "gains" from steroid use. Yes, you are correct, tissue growth is all that matters. But as I have previously stated, I believe the scale "gains" earned during a dbol kick-start will result throughout the course of a 12 week cycle to be more permanent actual, tissue gains at the end. In contrast, dbol used after the last two weeks before PCT will result in scale "gains" that won't be maintained. To someone that doesn't think about their cycle in terms of tissue growth but purely scale "gain", they would be more disappointed with using dbol at the end than at the beginning. That is what I believe.
So yes, I understand, tissue growth is what matters and water weight doesn't mean anything, except to one measuring results purely on a scale which was the point of that statement.
However, I do disagree with your statement: "The testosterone doesnt do anything to the tissue gained from the dbol alone." - this statement is simply false. Testosterone, natural or injected, is largely responsible for muscle maintenance and growth. Humor me and imagine someone without any natural testosterone production; If this person were to make gains from Dbol, and then stopped using Dbol, no tissue growth would be preserved due to a lack of testosterone in that persons system. So yes, test is responsible for maintaining muscle tissue, however it is earned, natural or enhanced. Yes, some tissue gain from dbol could be preserved by individuals with adequate natural test levels, but not nearly as much as continuing along with elevated testosterone levels post dbol tissue growth. A person without testosterone would not grow nor maintain muscle mass very well, if much at all. So yes, testosterone, whether injected or natural is a rather important part of any muscle mass you wish to maintain (including muscle growth caused by dbol).
Don't feel compelled to continue your condescension.
EDIT: How about this, you are right. I apologize for using an overly simplified expression and any misleading guidance it may have given to your forum's members.