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Cycle Using Deca/Test Cyp

This is my first post and yes I’ve read the newbies thread and about 100-200 other post out there. I’m not looking for someone to do my homework more of advice if anyone has tried this particular combination using Cyp/Deca. There seemed to be quite a lot of contraversy regarding Deca. Some hate it, some love it. I’m looking at the cycle on the following URL:

Novice Cycle #2-3
www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

It’s essentially using Test Prop/Cyp the first 4 weeks of the cycle to get it kick started then using Test Cyp for the remainder. Seemed like a good idea however I would think using Prop on week 11 at the end of the cycle would also be a smart choice since the half life of Deca is so much longer???

First 4 weeks:
Testosterone Cypionate 400 mg
Deca 200 mg
Testosterone Propionate 50mg/ED Nolvadex 10 mg/Day
Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day

Remaining 6 weeks:
Testosterone Cypionate 400 mg
Deca 200 mg
Nolvadex 10 mg/Day
Vitamin B-6/ 200 mg/Day

This will be my first cycle. I wanted to do something that allowed me to retain as much as possible of my gains and also be not as harsh on the liver.

I’ve been training very seriously for the past 5 years however have been off/on for 6 years before that.

My bf hovers around 10%. (only about 160 lbs now, 36 yrs old) My objective is to increase mass (hopefully lean). I realize my weight is under what it should so I’m increasing my caloric intake to about 3000 a few weeks prior to cycle then going up to about 4000 during cycle.

Any advice on this combo?

Thanks!

A friend of mine is using the same cycle, he is ending week three and he has gained 5lbs, his strength has increased. He is of low BF and is very happy so far with the results, good muscle, no unwanted bloating.

[quote]pikonme wrote:
A friend of mine is using the same cycle, he is ending week three and he has gained 5lbs, his strength has increased. He is of low BF and is very happy so far with the results, good muscle, no unwanted bloating.[/quote]

Any idea if your friend was doing the prop ED or EOD? Seemed kind of nuts to do it everyday since I believe half life is longer than 24 hours but maybe I’m wrong. Glad to hear your friend had good results. Really appreciate the info!!

Honestly, for a first cycle, just run 4-600 mg of test cyp per week for 10-12 weeks. You’ll do just fine with that.

your proposed cycle tweaked and restructered…

week 1-4: 100 mg prop EOD
week 1-10: 400 mg Cyp, 300 mg Deca
week 11-12: 400 mg Cyp
week 13-15: 100 mg prop EOD
PCT start on week 16

thanks for the tweaking. That’s exactly what I was looking for. It makes sense too adding the test at the end to finish the cycle where the deca is still in your system. Thanks. I’ll let you know how it goes.

Bump juice20

Test/Deca is a good stack. Somefolks don’t like the deca - but I have had no bad experiences with it.

Like juice said - there’s really no need to run the prop up front - especially if this is a first cycle.

400mg is kinda low for test, if it’s your first cycle I’d use at least 600 and get the most bang out of your first cycle.

[quote]X-Factor wrote:
400mg is kinda low for test, if it’s your first cycle I’d use at least 600 and get the most bang out of your first cycle.[/quote]

for a 160 pound guy, 400mg/week would be adequate. like i said, 4-600 mg for a first. Hell, i can make gains on 500 mg a week.

you may want to think about adex for anti-e as my friend did a test-e(350mg)/deca (400) cycle and got a lump under the nipple witht he nolva @ 10 ed. Just a thought

[quote]kickbxer wrote:
you may want to think about adex for anti-e as my friend did a test-e(350mg)/deca (400) cycle and got a lump under the nipple witht he nolva @ 10 ed. Just a thought[/quote]

I was planning on doing Nolva and HCG already. I also have some Clomid but wasn’t sure whether to use it now or next cycle. I’ll investigate the adex. What about adding the Clomid with the Nolva. Wondering if that’s a little overkill? I don’t want to reduce the estrogen too much. I understand that could be a problem too. Long as I don’t have to wear a bra or take up shopping full time I’ll be happy :slight_smile:

Thanks!