I already responded to your PM:
Here it is:
Transdermal PH are a waste of money for the most part.
The tren clones have an anabolic effect, but only when dosed relatively high, this leads to much higher progesterone qualities than anabolic.
In other words, muscle growth/anabolic effects are practically a side effect of these compounds.
We actually have no idea how or why they work for the most part, zero research of any kind has been done on them, atleast with real tren we have used it in animals, and people have been using it for years.
And atleast a few cases of extremely aggressive prostate cancer have been reported from even moderate usage in YOUNG men with these off the shelf compounds.
The stuff is a plague on the weightlifting society, and it needs to be banned immediately.
That said, its gains are no more impressive than say superdrol, or pheraplex, the trens are attractive due to their lack of methyls for stacking reasons, but its not worth while in my opinion.
Pheraplex parent compound, DMT has been linked to some heart issues, how accurate that is, is hearsay, but so far superdrol has only been linked to liver issues from methylation.
If I were to use any current prohormones I would choose epistane, hdrol, superdrol, or pheraplex.
If I were you and I were limited to prohormones I would stack epistane and hdrol.
Its mixing a type I and II, its two methyls but they are somewhat mild on the liver compared to many.
Both give decent strength and clean gains with no water. They provide “quality” muscle as much as any prohormone can.
Epistane/havoc at 40mg/day + hdrol at 75-100mg/day would be a decent cycle imo.
I would run the hdrol for atleast 5-6 weeks, it takes a little longer to kick than epistane.
Meaning you can start with epistane, run it for 4 weeks along side the epistane, and the simply continue for another 2 weeks on just the hdrol.
Or you can buy more epistane and run it throughout, etc.
Ive posted about it in a thread before. I would expect atleast 7-8 pounds a slight reduction in body fat with a clean diet, increased cardio capacit and moderate strength increases all around.