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Cyber Warfare


#1

So it looks like "The Guardians of Peace" have won their first victory:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%e2%80%98the-interview%e2%80%99-new-york-premiere-canceled/ar-BBgTAxw

They are now threating violence. Sony is severely hurt by this attack. Admittedly, I'm a tech novice. To those in the know, where do you see this style of 'warfare' evolving?

And how should we deal with these hackers? Criminals, terrorists?


#2

All we have to do is put the TSA in charge of all movie screenings and have people remove their belt and their shoes. And since it’s likely the North Koreans we will send out a policy that is so politically correct that we will NOT stop and search ANY Asians because that would be profiling and WE DON’T DO THAT. We will go out of our way to frisk children and people in wheel chairs (and by frisk, I mean grope).

Good times!


#3

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
All we have to do is put the TSA in charge of all movie screenings and have people remove their belt and their shoes. And since it’s likely the North Koreans we will send out a policy that is so politically correct that we will NOT stop and search ANY Asians because that would be profiling and WE DON’T DO THAT. We will go out of our way to frisk children and people in wheel chairs (and by frisk, I mean grope).

Good times!
[/quote]

Lol! Sad…very sad…but true :/. What we SHOULD do is a) tell the hackers to go fuck themselves b) show the movie everywhere–and I mean everywhere. Even places that aren’t theaters. Charge a small amount instead of a ticket price to anybody watches it in a park or some other public place. I am not a Seth Rogan fan. And I don’t really want to watch this movie. But if it’s making a statement to some fuckhead criminal/terrorist that we say you can’t win, then I’ll watch it on repeat.

And as far as I’m concerned, they are now terrorists. It was simple criminality up to the point they threatened mass terrorist attack. Now, hunt them down and put their heads on stakes (oh wait, we don’t have the willpower to seriously exert our whoop-ass any more). I’m sick of this bullshit. “Be scared for offending us! We will attack you!” No, fuck you.


#4

Greatest viral marketing ploy…maybe ever?

GO SEE THIS MOVIE FOR AMERICA!!

1000’s of movie theaters across the country, I’m taking my chances…come at me D.R.N.K BRO’S!!


#5

So I went to the Landmark’s Sunshine Cinema YELP page and wrote the following review:

So some hacker makes a terrorist threat and you cancel the premier for “The Interview”? Way to show your patriotism… If you really wanted to make a statement, you should have cut your ticket prices in half so that MORE people would see the movie. If you change your behavior out of fear, the TERRORISTS WIN, you stupid bunch of pansies. Grow a set of balls.

I don’t like Seth Rogan, but I’m damn sure going to go see the movie now. Out of PRINCIPLE. We are AMERICANS, we should not let terrorists dictate to us what movies we can and cannot see. You liberals (or “progressives” or whatever you socialists are calling yourselves these days) are so weak and easily scared it’s pathetic. The United States was a great nation once. It has fallen because of cowards like you.

LOL


#6

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So I went to the Landmark’s Sunshine Cinema YELP page and wrote the following review:

So some hacker makes a terrorist threat and you cancel the premier for “The Interview”? Way to show your patriotism… If you really wanted to make a statement, you should have cut your ticket prices in half so that MORE people would see the movie. If you change your behavior out of fear, the TERRORISTS WIN, you stupid bunch of pansies. Grow a set of balls.

I don’t like Seth Rogan, but I’m damn sure going to go see the movie now. Out of PRINCIPLE. We are AMERICANS, we should not let terrorists dictate to us what movies we can and cannot see. You liberals (or “progressives” or whatever you socialists are calling yourselves these days) are so weak and easily scared it’s pathetic. The United States was a great nation once. It has fallen because of cowards like you.

LOL[/quote]

This may be the most pathetic, cowardly display I have ever seen. Why is anybody cowering to N.Korea?
I think that Hollywood is finally showing their true colors, they are FUCKING cowards of the highest order. It’s easy to stop the hackers, unplug your computer.
These pussies get a threat from N. Korea and they just cower and obey whatever they say. I too am going to see the movie, in the theaters out of principle. It may be the worst movie ever, but I’ll be damned if I am going to let these assholes tell me what to do.
The behavior of people in light of all that has happened regarding the movie is baffling to me. The actors cancel their appearance, the premier gets canceled, theater chains are pulling the movie, etc. I hardly know what to make of all this. There was a time when Americans would be damned if they’d let something like this stop us. No more. We have graduated to full fledged pussy-dom. What the hell? Why are people letting a little fat maniac lie Kim Jong Un dictate what movie topics we’ll see and what subject matter we will broach.
Imagine if the Soviet Union tried that shit? They probably should have, it’s apparently effective.
It’s sad to see, but the terrorists have won. They have made us scared and rather than standing up to it, we appease and enable.
The message to the world we’re sending is “Terrorism works”. If I were them, I would keep up the good work. If I were dealing with pussies like ourselves, I would be very encouraged at the progress we have made. Unreal, unbelievable. I don’t have the adjectives to describe our cowardliness. No words seem sufficient. If you cannot even grow a pair to go to a movie, then we’re fucked.
Hollywood is a bunch of chickens. They’ll take their pot shots at anybody peaceful, but they don’t have the balls to take on terrorists; terrorists who are essentially no, real physical threat, but just in case they will run and hide.


#7

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Greatest viral marketing ploy…maybe ever?

GO SEE THIS MOVIE FOR AMERICA!!

1000’s of movie theaters across the country, I’m taking my chances…come at me D.R.N.K BRO’S!![/quote]

I think we should boycott the theaters who pulled it. Even better, threaten terror. Then they will be confused and not know what to do. You cannot be a coward in every direction.


#8

Sony is in a can’t win situation.

Show the movie, and an act of violence occurs, they will get hammered and sued for being “irresponsible”.

Cancel the movie and we bow to the commies. Terrorists win.

Sucks to be Sony!


#9

I think it’d funny how the libs are outraged at Sony, but embrace Ed Snowden and the like.


#10

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Sony is in a can’t win situation.

Show the movie, and an act of violence occurs, they will get hammered and sued for being “irresponsible”.

Cancel the movie and we bow to the commies. Terrorists win.

Sucks to be Sony![/quote]

Is our court system THAT fucked up that an AMERICAN company can get sued for an act of TERRORISM? Is there precedent for that?

Cuz if that’s the case, those fuckers have already won…


#11

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#12

I’ll never go to another Carmike again. I guess I will stick w Regal.


#13

Mitt’s got a decent idea.


#14

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Sony is in a can’t win situation.

Show the movie, and an act of violence occurs, they will get hammered and sued for being “irresponsible”.

Cancel the movie and we bow to the commies. Terrorists win.

Sucks to be Sony![/quote]

Is our court system THAT fucked up that an AMERICAN company can get sued for an act of TERRORISM? Is there precedent for that?

Cuz if that’s the case, those fuckers have already won…[/quote]

They won. Sony pulled the picture. Makes me sick.
If N. Korea does an act of terror on our shores, it’s a declaration of war.


#15

Can’t they stream it on-line???


#16

And why is the news media publishing the information that was stolen from Sony? It’s still private information, they do not have the right to publish the details of what was stolen. Not only that but they are helping N. Korea by doing it. Spreading the leaked info is actually helping the crime. I believe they are liable for that. Certainly if it were my info a law suit the size of N. Korea would be forth coming.

And it just goes to prove celebs are cowards. Where is their outrage? Where is their stand against the crime and against Sony pulling the movie? They should be boycotting Sony entertainment, but they won’t because it’s all about the money.
These little commie liberals get real capitalistic when it comes to their money.
I guess hollywood is going to stick to safe themes from now on. They will just mock conservatives,Israel, Christians, gun owners, white men and fake aliens.
Communist dictators, Islam, and anyone who threatens violence are off the table now.
This is a dangerous precedent. If you don’t like something, just threaten violence and people will back down and give you what you want.


#17

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Sony is in a can’t win situation.

Show the movie, and an act of violence occurs, they will get hammered and sued for being “irresponsible”.

Cancel the movie and we bow to the commies. Terrorists win.

Sucks to be Sony![/quote]

Yeah, I was about to post this. I’m fully with Pat, AC and the others but this is a shit situation for Sony to be in. And it would happen. It would be a PR disaster for them even if they didn’t get sued.

I’d still do it personally, because fuck you guys, that’s why.

We’re already long gone. We caved through fear, not lack of ability.


#18

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Sony is in a can’t win situation.

Show the movie, and an act of violence occurs, they will get hammered and sued for being “irresponsible”.

Cancel the movie and we bow to the commies. Terrorists win.

Sucks to be Sony![/quote]

Yeah, I was about to post this. I’m fully with Pat, AC and the others but this is a shit situation for Sony to be in. And it would happen. It would be a PR disaster for them even if they didn’t get sued.

I’d still do it personally, because fuck you guys, that’s why.

We’re already long gone. We caved through fear, not lack of ability.[/quote]

There is a valid point here. Not only has there been major theft constituting millions of dollars in damages on an American subsidiary, on American soil, but also what can only be construed as a credible threat to American lives on American soil. The government, whose job it is to protect American lives and property from threats and damages from foreign governments has said and done nothing about it. Leaving up to the private sector to protect U.S. citizens from potential harm from North Korea.
And the theft of private information from a private company, by a foreign government is one thing, but when actual American lives on American soil are threatened by a foreign government, I expect our government to respond to the threat and make it clear to us, and the foreign government in question that threats will not be tolerated and killing Americans will warrant a firm military response.
Leaving companies to fend for themselves in the face of credible death threats against American citizens at home is just wrong. Sony and theater chains do not have the means to protect themselves much less others from threats or actions carried out by a foreign government. That’s the job of the American government.

I think the seriousness of what’s going on here is perhaps a little lost because the object is a silly movie that probably isn’t very good. The actions and threats taken by North Korea isn’t a joke though. That’s some pretty serious shit they have done and the government hasn’t and isn’t doing shit about it. I find that disturbing.


#19

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Sony is in a can’t win situation.

Show the movie, and an act of violence occurs, they will get hammered and sued for being “irresponsible”.

Cancel the movie and we bow to the commies. Terrorists win.

Sucks to be Sony![/quote]

Yeah, I was about to post this. I’m fully with Pat, AC and the others but this is a shit situation for Sony to be in. And it would happen. It would be a PR disaster for them even if they didn’t get sued.

I’d still do it personally, because fuck you guys, that’s why.

We’re already long gone. We caved through fear, not lack of ability.[/quote]

There is a valid point here. Not only has there been major theft constituting millions of dollars in damages on an American subsidiary, on American soil, but also what can only be construed as a credible threat to American lives on American soil. The government, whose job it is to protect American lives and property from threats and damages from foreign governments has said and done nothing about it. Leaving up to the private sector to protect U.S. citizens from potential harm from North Korea.
And the theft of private information from a private company, by a foreign government is one thing, but when actual American lives on American soil are threatened by a foreign government, I expect our government to respond to the threat and make it clear to us, and the foreign government in question that threats will not be tolerated and killing Americans will warrant a firm military response.
Leaving companies to fend for themselves in the face of credible death threats against American citizens at home is just wrong. Sony and theater chains do not have the means to protect themselves much less others from threats or actions carried out by a foreign government. That’s the job of the American government.

I think the seriousness of what’s going on here is perhaps a little lost because the object is a silly movie that probably isn’t very good. The actions and threats taken by North Korea isn’t a joke though. That’s some pretty serious shit they have done and the government hasn’t and isn’t doing shit about it. I find that disturbing.[/quote]

Absolutely and fundamentally CORRECT! Scares the crap out of me that a little tin pot dictator can do this and not get any real rebuke or response of any kind from our government in return. I realize they are for all intents and purposes impotent to do anything to us, but it is a game of perceptions and I find it absolutely inconceivable that they would dare to do this under any other POTUS in the last 30 years.

Sony is not equipped to deal with this, they are an entertainment company. Perhaps if our POTUS and gov’t had responded publicly and credibly to this incident there would be no need for Sony to make a decision of this sort. I still grieve for our litigious culture and the idea of suing a company over a terror attack, but you’re absolutely right.


#20

This is not a “terrorist” issue, this is state vs. state issue. I suggest we respond in kind with a cropping cyber attack to their country.

Take out their cell towers/power grids.