Cy, I also have a bone to pick with you and the other Testosterone writers. How can you say that Smilax is ineffective. Smilax Officalianis is the best kept secret in bodybuilding. But not just every Smilax product. Only the super Smilax X that I buy directly from Russia. One injection of Smilax X and one injection of B12, and I feel full of vigour and pep. Now how can you say that this vigorous, peppy feeling is not real. Have you felt this vigorous pep? NO! You have not. So until you've had as much pep (and vigour) as me, then stop saying mean stuff about Smilax and Dibenzocide, bud.