So here I was thinking obama finally did something I am not totally against in changing Cuba/U.S. relations and so I get proven wrong along with obama. Cuba wants nothing from us and they don’t give a shit.
Apparently, Raul is president in name only…as an aside.
LOL! So much for the olive branch. Fidel just shoved it up obama’s ass…
[quote]pat wrote:
So here I was thinking obama finally did something I am not totally against in changing Cuba/U.S. relations and so I get proven wrong along with obama. Cuba wants nothing from us and they don’t give a shit.
Apparently, Raul is president in name only…as an aside.
LOL! So much for the olive branch. Fidel just shoved it up obama’s ass…[/quote]
Obama is truly making an ass of himself. Is he really as naive as he appears to be? Pathetic.
How much longer is Castro going to live?
Is the tobacco for Cuban cigars watered with the elixir of life? (not the elixir of youth though, judging by the photo).
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?
[quote]miroku333 wrote:
How much longer is Castro going to live?
Is the tobacco for Cuban cigars watered with the elixir of life? (not the elixir of youth though, judging by the photo).
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?[/quote]
He and Keith Richards will be the first people to live to 200.
[quote]pat wrote:
miroku333 wrote:
How much longer is Castro going to live?
Is the tobacco for Cuban cigars watered with the elixir of life? (not the elixir of youth though, judging by the photo).
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?
He and Keith Richards will be the first people to live to 200.[/quote]
lol.
a little the worse for wear, but they may be!
last time I checked, Cubans were telling Cuba to go fuck itself
[quote]miroku333 wrote:
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?[/quote]
I don’t know man - I’ve been there. People who didn’t work in the tourist industry were extremely poor. I found most people I met didn’t really care about politics. But I bet if they gained access to more information they would start a revolution against the revolution. America opening of trade/tourism with Cuba would probably transform that country.
[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
miroku333 wrote:
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?
I don’t know man - I’ve been there. People who didn’t work in the tourist industry were extremely poor. I found most people I met didn’t really care about politics. But I bet if they gained access to more information they would start a revolution against the revolution. America opening of trade/tourism with Cuba would probably transform that country.
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Aww, the miracles of “democracy” please take note that I lathered that statement with sarcasm
Outside of cigars and another hot place to go on vacation, what does Cuba offer us? Nothing.
BG
[quote]miroku333 wrote:
How much longer is Castro going to live?
Is the tobacco for Cuban cigars watered with the elixir of life? (not the elixir of youth though, judging by the photo).
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?[/quote]
24hrs a day medical attention, the best food and nutrition, plus whatever else can be done to stretch the life of the hijo de puta.
From someone who lived there, has family there, and will go to visit in a few months for the 2nd time… Cuba has NOT been doing fine. (we did Ok-ish from the late 60’s until 1991 because of the Soviet Union)
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Thomas Gabriel wrote:
miroku333 wrote:
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?
I don’t know man - I’ve been there. People who didn’t work in the tourist industry were extremely poor. I found most people I met didn’t really care about politics. But I bet if they gained access to more information they would start a revolution against the revolution. America opening of trade/tourism with Cuba would probably transform that country.
Aww, the miracles of “democracy” please take note that I lathered that statement with sarcasm[/quote]
Lather the statement with something intelligible, WTF are you talking about?
[quote]Neospartan wrote:
miroku333 wrote:
How much longer is Castro going to live?
Is the tobacco for Cuban cigars watered with the elixir of life? (not the elixir of youth though, judging by the photo).
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?
24hrs a day medical attention, the best food and nutrition, plus whatever else can be done to stretch the life of the hijo de puta.
From someone who lived there, has family there, and will go to visit in a few months for the 2nd time… Cuba has NOT been doing fine. (we did Ok-ish from the late 60’s until 1991 because of the Soviet Union)[/quote]
thanks for the first hand account, I only know what I see as it’s filtered through corporate media.
do you think trade with the US would improve things, and Castro is being a resentful old man?
[quote]miroku333 wrote:
Neospartan wrote:
miroku333 wrote:
How much longer is Castro going to live?
Is the tobacco for Cuban cigars watered with the elixir of life? (not the elixir of youth though, judging by the photo).
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?
24hrs a day medical attention, the best food and nutrition, plus whatever else can be done to stretch the life of the hijo de puta.
From someone who lived there, has family there, and will go to visit in a few months for the 2nd time… Cuba has NOT been doing fine. (we did Ok-ish from the late 60’s until 1991 because of the Soviet Union)
thanks for the first hand account, I only know what I see as it’s filtered through corporate media.
do you think trade with the US would improve things, and Castro is being a resentful old man?[/quote]
Here is the thing with Fidel man…
IF the embargo is going to be opened it has to be on HIS terms. Now, his terms are not too complicated, only there is no go areas on what he does in his country socially, politically and economically. (so none of that letting free the political prisoners, opening the press, letting people have access to the internet, etc).
So if the embargo is lifted under his terms then there will be enough capital to finance the longegevity of the dictatorship for years to come.
----let me point out, that Raul is probably the one interested in doing some kind of negociations and do ecnomic reforms like the Chinese did. He has done some, but they are by no means complete.
Let me point out a few things to keep in mind:
-Cuba’s economic problems are simply the result of the non-workability of the socialist economic model. Sure the embargo complicates things a little. But the destruction of the sugar and cattle industry (to name a few which were prominant throughout Cuba’s history) has nothing to do with the embargo.
-The embargo serves as an excuse to blame the economic problems and difficulties the people in Cuba live with.
–Also…the Bay of Pigs and Republican administrations are used to warn people of a posible American invasion. It was done heavily during Reagan and Bush I, and during Bush II but to a lesser degree. It used to be same with Democrat administrations but after Carter that changed.
-And IF Fidel really could he would do away with all the tourism and international trade and return to the true 100% Socialist economic model. In 1992-3 he was forced to open the country to trade and tourism to keep the country from falling and allow small private business to open.
–Now that Chavez has helped finance him, and China is buying Copper from Cuba’s mines Fidel has been able to scale back on the private business issue. ex: no more private restuarants with tables and seats, only kiosks are allowed.
-RAUL, on the other hand, is more pragmatic. And he is likely to follow the Chinese model. Once Fidel dies, then Raul will be free to do as he sees fit. As old and beat up as Fidel is, he can still take it back anytime he feels like it.
[quote]Neospartan wrote:
miroku333 wrote:
Neospartan wrote:
miroku333 wrote:
How much longer is Castro going to live?
Is the tobacco for Cuban cigars watered with the elixir of life? (not the elixir of youth though, judging by the photo).
Cuba has done just fine without the US for nearly half a century, why would they want to change now?
24hrs a day medical attention, the best food and nutrition, plus whatever else can be done to stretch the life of the hijo de puta.
From someone who lived there, has family there, and will go to visit in a few months for the 2nd time… Cuba has NOT been doing fine. (we did Ok-ish from the late 60’s until 1991 because of the Soviet Union)
thanks for the first hand account, I only know what I see as it’s filtered through corporate media.
do you think trade with the US would improve things, and Castro is being a resentful old man?
Here is the thing with Fidel man…
IF the embargo is going to be opened it has to be on HIS terms. Now, his terms are not too complicated, only there is no go areas on what he does in his country socially, politically and economically. (so none of that letting free the political prisoners, opening the press, letting people have access to the internet, etc).
So if the embargo is lifted under his terms then there will be enough capital to finance the longegevity of the dictatorship for years to come.
----let me point out, that Raul is probably the one interested in doing some kind of negociations and do ecnomic reforms like the Chinese did. He has done some, but they are by no means complete.
Let me point out a few things to keep in mind:
-Cuba’s economic problems are simply the result of the non-workability of the socialist economic model. Sure the embargo complicates things a little. But the destruction of the sugar and cattle industry (to name a few which were prominant throughout Cuba’s history) has nothing to do with the embargo.
-The embargo serves as an excuse to blame the economic problems and difficulties the people in Cuba live with.
–Also…the Bay of Pigs and Republican administrations are used to warn people of a posible American invasion. It was done heavily during Reagan and Bush I, and during Bush II but to a lesser degree. It used to be same with Democrat administrations but after Carter that changed.
-And IF Fidel really could he would do away with all the tourism and international trade and return to the true 100% Socialist economic model. In 1992-3 he was forced to open the country to trade and tourism to keep the country from falling and allow small private business to open.
–Now that Chavez has helped finance him, and China is buying Copper from Cuba’s mines Fidel has been able to scale back on the private business issue. ex: no more private restuarants with tables and seats, only kiosks are allowed.
-RAUL, on the other hand, is more pragmatic. And he is likely to follow the Chinese model. Once Fidel dies, then Raul will be free to do as he sees fit. As old and beat up as Fidel is, he can still take it back anytime he feels like it.
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Now that is a well put, intelligent and accurate post. Nice job.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
last time I checked, Cubans were telling Cuba to go fuck itself[/quote]
Exactly.
You want to ruin a governments socialist grip on its people? Give them Nike shoes and McDonalds.
[quote]pat wrote:
He and Keith Richards will be the first people to live to 200.[/quote]
Hahahahaha! Good one!