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CT's Strength Ratios

Some time ago, CT posted a very nice list of what he considered to be “Average”, “Strong”, and “Very Strong” ratios of lifts to bodyweight.

For example, an “Average” athlete would bench their body weight but a “Very Strong” athlete would bench, say, 3x. This list was also broken down by types of athletes (powerlifters, o-lifters, and general athletes, I think).

Anyway, it seems to have disappeared from the archives. It may have been titled “Strength Survey” in a thread started by Berardi, but the only search results for these seem to be quite truncated.

Anyone out there have an archive of that list?

Regards,
Mark

I saved it as a word document. PM me your email and I will send it to you.

Why not post it here?

As for your PR’s compared to your body weight I wouldnt worry too much what others are doing, and just keep competing with yourself. But JB did a survey comparing various lifts to bodyweight, CT gave a pretty good answer about what he considers “average” for his athletes.

JB, I’ll give you my numbers as well as what I consider average, strong and very strong for 3 types of athletes (Team sport athletes: football/hockey/basketball/…, Strength athletes: powerlifters/olympic lifters/strongmen/throwers, Bodybuilders)

  1. Here are my personal numbers:

a) back squat

575lbs (close stance, upright trunk, butt to calves, nylon weight belt only) at 215lbs so a ratio of 2.67

b) front squat (full)

440lbs (same as above) at 215lbs so a ratio of 2.04

c) deadlift

575lbs (regular stance, nylon weight belt only) at 215lbs so a ratio of 2.67

d) stiff legged deadlift

Never maxed out, but have used 400lbs for sets of 5 on the romanian deadlift, which is similar)

e) barbell hack squat

N/A

f) power clean / hang clean

Power clean 352lbs x 1, hang clean 320lbs for 4 reps, hang squat clean 370lbs x 1 all of those were done at a bodyweight of 207lbs so respective ratios of 1.7 / 1.54 / 1.78

g) snatch

Power snatch 275lbs, full squat snatch 291lbs (with straps) at a bodyweight of 230lbs so respective ratios of 1.2 / 1.26

h) barbell bench press

415lbs (established 7 weeks ago) at a bodyweight of 212lbs so a ratio of 1.95

i) barbell split press (push press)

335lbs push press, 362lbs split jerk

Both done at a bodyweight of 223lbs so ratios of 1.5 / 1.62

What I consider average, strong and very strong:

  1. Team sport athletes

a) back squat (proper/competiton type)
Average: 1.6 - 2.0
Strong: 2.1 - 2.5
Very strong: 2.6 +

b) front squat (full)
Average: 1.3-1.6
Strong: 1.7-2.0
Very strong: 2.1 +

c) deadlift
Average: 1.6 - 2.0
Strong: 2.1 - 2.5
Very strong: 2.6 +

d) stiff legged deadlift

No guidelines

e) barbell hack squat
No guidelines

f) power clean / hang clean
Average: 1.0 - 1.25
Strong: 1.3 - 1.5
Very strong: 1.6 +

g) snatch
Average: 0.7 - 0.9
Strong: 1.0 - 1.2
Very strong: 1.3 +

h) barbell bench press
Average: 1.25 - 1.5
Strong: 1.6 - 2
Very strong: 2.1 +

i) barbell split press (push press)
Average: 1.0 - 1.25
Strong: 1.3 - 1.5
Very strong: 1.6 +

  1. Strength athletes:

a) back squat (proper/competiton type)
Average: 2.0 - 2.2
Strong: 2.3 - 2.8
Very strong: 2.9 +

b) front squat (full)
Average: 1.6-1.9
Strong: 2.0-2.2
Very strong: 2.3 +

c) deadlift
Average: 2.0 - 2.2
Strong: 2.3 - 2.8
Very strong: 2.9 +

d) stiff legged deadlift

No guidelines

e) barbell hack squat
No guidelines

f) power clean / hang clean
Average: 1.2 - 1.4
Strong: 1.5 - 1.8
Very strong: 1.9 +

g) snatch
Average: 1.0 - 1.2
Strong: 1.3 - 1.4
Very strong: 1.5 +

h) barbell bench press
Average: 1.5 - 1.7
Strong: 1.8 - 2.2
Very strong: 2.3 +

i) barbell split press (push press)
Average: 1.2 - 1.4
Strong: 1.5 - 1.8
Very strong: 1.9 +

  1. Bodybuilders

a) back squat (proper/competiton type)
Average: 1.5 - 1.9
Strong: 2.0 - 2.4
Very strong: 2.5 +

b) front squat (full)
Average: 1.1-1.4
Strong: 1.5-1.8
Very strong: 1.9 +

c) deadlift
Average: 1.5 - 1.9
Strong: 2.0 - 2.4
Very strong: 2.5 +

d) stiff legged deadlift

No guidelines

e) barbell hack squat
No guidelines

f) power clean / hang clean
Average: 0.8 - 1.1
Strong: 1.2 - 1.3
Very strong: 1.4 +

g) snatch
Average: 0.6 - 0.8
Strong: 0.9 - 1.1
Very strong: 1.2 +

h) barbell bench press
Average: 1.3 - 1.6
Strong: 1.7 - 2.1
Very strong: 2.2 +

i) barbell split press (push press)
Average: 0.8 - 1.1
Strong: 1.2 - 1.3
Very strong: 1.4 +

Thanks. Interesting stuff.