Americans(well, half of). We are (at least) two separate nations.
One half would turn in what few they have remaining.
Americans(well, half of). We are (at least) two separate nations.
One half would turn in what few they have remaining.
Probably not a great idea to allow the seriously mentally ill to possess firearms.
Iāve thought about this too. Recently Iāve come to the conclusionā¦ What mental illness, what type of firearm?
Allowing sayā¦ A clinically depressed male access to a single shot .22lr hunting rifle mediates a danger to the individual owning the firearmā¦ But not so much towards others.
So perhaps depending on the condition you could restrict accessā¦ Or with conditions like psychosis, schizophrenia you restrict access all-together. I donāt think itās authoritarian to state āthose who are at risk of a psychotic break shouldnāt be able to possess weapons of which they can mow down a room full of people withā.
Allow those selling arms to be held civilly liable for what happens with arms they sell, while allowing them to request anything they want from a potential purchaser and to deny a sale to anyone for any reason whatsoever. No restrictions. More safety.
Should a bartender be held liable if the customer theyāve served drives home and kills someone?
What if youāre requesting medical records? Is it appropriate for a gun dealer to know about bobs impotence?
What if a very unscrupulous dealer starts dealing to anyoneā¦ Under the table without registration/records
I read about this happening in Aus once. Gun dealer used a loophole to swipe weapons off government databases, sold to people without permits. Friend of mine who served in the army told me of a story wherein an officer on base was jailed for selling weapons from the armoryā¦ Weaponry you probably wouldnāt even be able to legally procure in the most lenient of US states
Too many "what ifsā'. I donāt like the idea of a free for allā¦ Iām still not on board with all weapons being unrestricted either. (Most) handguns, assault rifles with high magazine capacities/calibresā¦ I canāt see why a citizen needs to own one.
No problem with most lever action rifles, bolt action rifles, break action shotguns etc being permitlessā¦ But I think more lethal/dangerous weapons ought to be subject to background checks, licensing and safe storage requirements when at homeā¦ And anyone who has kids ought to have either a gun safe or they should keep firearms in their room hidden away from children.
Pistols make up the largest swath of firearm related homicides. There are some pistols that can only fire 1-2 shotsā¦ Provided they arenāt of an absurdly high calibre
Like a Thompson/Center Contender pistol that shoots .22lr cartridges shouldnāt require a permitā¦ A Glock 41 ought to be heavily restrictedā¦ Just my opinion
Unlike contemporary Australian beliefā¦ Not all firearms are created equal.
I was massively downvoted on another online forum when a mad max poster was put up in discussion of Aussie society. Someone was talking about sawn off shotguns, Australia, covid and the apocalypse.
I joked and said āmost Australianās, particularly the youth demographic omnipresent on here hasnāt even held a gun in real lifeā¦ Let alone shot one. You wouldnāt have the slightest clue how to use it and youād be shot dead immediately if you were to shoot those breaking the rulesā.
Or something along that lineā¦ Donāt remember as this was like a month ago and the conversation was dumbā¦ Didnāt register on my radar for information storage.
Anyhow, I got this big spiel about how I donāt know what Iām talking about, a sawn off shotgun is easy to useā¦ People shitting on me despite woke kids almost certainly not knowing
A: a sawn off shotgun CANāT be shot with one hand
B: the break action mechanism is simple to useā¦ But no kid who has never shot a gun is going to pick it up and instantaneously be able to use it. The majority of Australians donāt even know what a break action shotgun isā¦ Theyād probably try shove the shells down the barrel akin to how youād load a musketā¦
C: Australians are extremely ignorant when it comes to using guns. Itās not something youāre an instant expert at. Last time I shot a shotgun I was only like 5ā3 and weighed only 130lbsā¦ It left serious bruising around my shoulder
Thereās not many first world places which donāt have some type of restrictions on guns to the mentally ill - within the US included.
Itās hard to find any info but it seems Australia had pretty inconsistent gun laws before this mass murder but still, it seems this guy shouldnāt have been sold a gun under the law at the time.
This is the story that finally got some on the left here to admit that things are fucked up in Australia.
The trick the left pulls in this country is that if you donāt support authoritarian force you donāt support the vaccines. Itās a little bit of irony, because when I got my first shot, it was still being blathered about being āTrumpās vaccineā and how nobody would take it because of that. Funny how times have changed. It went from being āTrumpās shotā that no leftist wanted to touch to Joe Biden saying āmy patience with the american people is wearing thinā.
Now they conflate being anti-authoritarian to being a dumb red-neck anti-vaxxer. I am pro-liberty first and I am all for vaccines but I am against coercive force. But thatās not what this is about.
What we had was the largest transfer of wealth and power in history and a certain few went from one of the elites to āthe most eliteā overnight. There is every interest in keeping this as a crisis and keeping it going as long as possible, if not permanently. Why? Because they like the power and donāt want to give it up. Itās human nature.
So from here on out there will always be a new variant, a new shot, a new reason to take peopleās liberty away. So long as there is compliance, they will keep going and going and going.
The hardest thing to do is change someoneās mind. So they made sure to make this ācrisisā as tribal as possible that way you have at least have the people cheering on their own imprisonment, while they make everyone outside their tribe āthe otherā and worthy of derision. So now, if you want to be with the ācool kidsā on the left you have to agree and blame āthe otherā for the lockdowns and shit.
Itās not going to stop until people stop doing the tribal group think and start thinking with their own noggin.
Liberty dies in mass compliance and that is what we are seeing around the west collectively. Far worse than covid is the disease of wokeness. Itās literally killing us.
Anyway, this shit isnāt going to end any time soon. And it will only end if people collectively decide they have had enough and that day may never come.
If I were deciding the case? No. Should it be possible to sue him? Yes-and maybe he SHOULD be liable if he obviously over serves(Iād rather that than see ABC stripping licensesā¦edit: or being able to issue licenses). I may not have been clearā¦I just mean that it should be possible to sue them. I donāt mean that they actually ARE liableā¦in my opinion.
Thatās fine. If you donāt want to provide such, find another dealer.
Thatās up to Bob.
He can be sued(and actually held liable, if people decide so-maybe the jury believes it IS reasonable that gun dealers learn about Bobās impotence) for the actions of his customers.
Then you ARE onboard with what you currently have. As you should have learned during this COVID stuff, youāre either onboard with handing control to the government or notā¦you donāt get to decide where that control stops making sense.
Youāre already living where ācommon senseā regulation takes you.
This is true for about half of Americans, as well.
Except this happened in an Aussie state ruled by a conservative premier
Doesnāt matter to meā¦ I was serious when I said I was leaving, at least for the time being. Applying for my exemption within the next two weeks.
I believe these guns were sold second hand, in a private sale, not from a dealer. Unless the guy was showing acute symptoms of psychosis it would be hard to effectively judge someoneās mental health from a short face to face transaction.
I think what youāre talking about is whether there is reasonable foreseeability. If some dumb fuck buys bleach with the intent to drink it because Trump made a joke about it, that wouldnāt be foreseeable. But even then, I saw several online household product retailers add warnings about not consuming bleach on their websites LMAO.
Iām not getting into a gun debate, nor does this imply anything with regards to my personal opinions of the legality of firearms, but I do agree with your point in principle. The more harmful a commodity is to public safety, the more micromanagement pertaining to itās sale and use is required. The government canāt handle shit like this efficiently.
Tide pods also come with this warning donāt they?
Some peopleā¦
Iām certainly notā¦ But Iām not on board with a totally unrestricted market for high calibre firearms
Unscrupulous people exist, not everyone who is in the wrong gets caughtā¦ Actually Iād wager most people get away with doing the wrong thing
Less you live in a police stateā¦ But quality of life appears to statistically decline with ever increasing societal regulationā¦ And deregulation after a certain point. No government at all = anarchismā¦ Anarchism = lawlessness, a free for all = dangerous society.
More unnecessary brutality. āABSOLUTELY DISGUSTINGā MELBOURNE RIOT SQUAD GOONS BASH AND HIT UNARMED CIVILIANS WITH RIFLE BUTTS (bitchute.com)
Title involves rifle butts,though I canāt see that. The more worrying act is a targeted knee to the kidneys, to a restrained victim. You can easily rupture a kidney, totally unnecessary. I fucking hope these individuals are called to account for excessive force.
All that fuckwit needed to do was help the other officer hold him whilst the guy on the ground is cuffed.
If you or I did the same thing, as that officer under the same circumstances we would be going to gaol.
I think we have different conceptions of āconservativeā. I looked at your 3 major political parties and you have 2 that are left and far-left and one tiny one that is actually conservative in itās ideas. One calls it self conservative, but they imprint very nicely with the American democrat party, ideologically. Conservatives conceptually are really focused on individual freedom and responsibility, mind your own business type stuff. Anybody implementing truly terrifying draconian lock-downs is not a conservative. They are power hunger authoritarians.
This incident is the one thing that gives me a little hope the U.S. may not slide all the way. Because there is no way in hell Americans would have given up their guns that easily. Now the only people with guns are the police who want to lock you up in your house. Itās madness.
There are little rays of hope. Evidence that many police are unhappy about the situation, and are trying to help behind the scenes. Important Message from Alexander Cooney to all Police Officers in Australia (bitchute.com)
Youāre getting conservative and left wing confused with authoritarian and libertarian. There are two axisā on the political scale
America is fairly split down the middle. "Democratsāā arenāt all one in the same. Many candidates one could infer sway slightly towards the authoritarian left, some sway towards the libertarian leftā¦ Same with Republicansā¦ You get a few nutjobs like Mike Pence who sway far towards the authoritatian right ā¦ And noā¦ JoE bIdEn doesnāt sway heavily towards the authoritatian left.
Daniel Andrews is authoritarian left, you canāt even compare the two. Vicpol will stomp on a dudes face for the crime of leaving your home, Andrews will state this is acceptable conductā¦ Shouldnāt have left home.
Thatās the authoritarian leftā¦
The liberals over here have swung more left economically since last term due to covidā¦ Jobkeeper, federal interventions, endless spending to ensure states donāt break down during lockdown etc. Both parties have amped up on autocratic ideology, but labour in particular has taken the cake re a descent towards authoritarianism.
Both were on the āauthoritarianā side of the spectrum before covidā¦ But now theyāve totally lost the plot
Remember, this is just my perspectiveā¦
Singapore is right wing too. Would you call them left? Itās impossible to own a gun there, media cencorship is abound, you can and do go to JAIL if youāve smoked pot in another country and you come back, test positive for THC metabolites in blood, urine or hair.
Chewing gum is banned thereā¦ They also took a covid zero approach and shut down for a long timeā¦ Yet they STILL opened up before Aus.
This is coincidental it isnāt even funny.
No, actually it is and I donāt believe in luck and shit lol.
I was just checking out new laundry detergents online for sensitive skin because I recently bought Persil and it worked FUCKING WONDERS for me. BUT some of my cats are allergic to it.
So, after doing some research online for a suitable and probably equally effective alternative, I was planning to go buy Tide pods yesterday because locally thatās the only version of tide we have lmao.
If you believe in luck, Chinese people will say go buy a lottery ticket NOW lol.
You can like or dislike Mike Pence and I am sure the media coverage of him was all negative and probably 95% full blown lies, but if you check his positions and his political attitude, in reality heās quite libertarian.
The hell he doesnāt. He tends to actually be more authoritarian than the left is even asking of him. Mandates, blaming citizens for the failures of his administration, everything at the federal level here is in crisis. Not a case where things could be better, full blown crisis. The results of left-wing ideology such as open borders, collective security trampling individual rights, etc. are far-left positions. The is nothing moderate about Biden.
They are becoming more so by the day, as they start to call people like Sam Harris and Bill Maher āright wingā and hence losing moderate center-left support.
What happened in Australia and through out the west is a shift in the Overton window. So that things that were used to be perceived as centrist or moderate left are now considered āconservativeā. Thatās the problem with relativism and it seems deliberate. One of your unelected bafoons let it slip that protesting the lockdowns violates the ānew world orderā. Yeah, we heard that all the way over here.
I would agree Singapore, Philippines is far far-right. And I donāt support authoritarianism of any kind period as I am personally libertarian- right. And I donāt believe in security over individual sovereignty.
The authoritarianism we happen to be seeing right now is from the far-left. And I have to give them props on the organization power and the over taking of major institutions while we are collectively asleep at the wheel.
The mistake Americans made and many are still making is they think the Constitution will protect them. And itās a piece of paper and can be and is being ignored and subverted at every opportunity. It cannot protect you if it is ignored.