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Convincing Meatheads to Come Off the Juice

Hi Boys.

I’ve recently started a PT job (specialising in nutrition) in the cheapest gym in my area. Its been an eye opener for sure.

All the places I’ve worked previously have been full of guys invested in their physiques through hard work and dedication.

It turns out this place is more frequented by your average Get-Big-Quick- Throw-A-Lot-Of-Weight-Around- Look-TOUGH types.

I’m offering meal ideas, macronutrient education, schedule coaching and training reviews…but to guys who go home to the needle not the noodles.

I write articles and leave them around the weights areas for intereted people to take home, hoping to pique some interest in nutrition theories, since I am a 5ft 110lb female I get the impression I dont carry a lot of cred at the moment.

I know NOTHING about steriods, except for the fact that most of my potential clients would prefer to spend their money on that than on food.

What can I write to convince them to rethink their approach?

I was thinking along the lines of “think long term” “use food for size” etc

If anyone could give me some ammo against taking the low road so I can stand my ground in a conflict :wink:

I’ve just never been interested in learning about steriods before, so I’m being faced with a totally unknown barrier here.

Thanks V much :slight_smile:

emmm…this is a bodybuilding site…


Maybe post some pics of natural BB’s. Just shows them that you don’t need gear to look good.

why don’t you take the time to learn about them and then you might understand… you sound just like everyone else that are against people taking some type of gear. seems like the type of people that know nothing about them are completely against them. but if you take the time and effort to understand them and know more about them then im sure you would change your mind.

[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
Hi Boys.

I’ve recently become a PT (specialising in sports nutrition) in the cheapest gym in my area. Its been an eye opener for sure.

All the places I’ve worked previously have been full of guys invested in their physiques through hard work and dedication.

It turns out this place is more frequented by your average Get-Big-Quick- Throw-A-Lot-Of-Weight-Around- Look-TOUGH types.

I’m offering meal ideas, macronutrient education, schedule coaching and training reviews…but to guys who go home to the needle not the noodles.

I write articles and leave them around the weights areas for intereted people to take home, hoping to pique some interest in my theory, since I am a 5ft 110lb female I get the impression I dont carry a lot of cred at the moment.

I know NOTHING about steriods, except for the fact that most of my potential clients would rather spend their money on that than on food.

What can I write to convince them to reevaluate?

I was thinking along the lines of “think long term” Ie; stop using start losing. Or “use food as your drug” etc

If anyone could give me some ammo against taking the low road so I can stand my ground in a conflict :wink:

I’ve just never been interested in learning about steriods so I’m being faced with a totally unknown barrier here.

Thanks V much :-)[/quote]

Despite your good intent, this approach is doomed to failure.

A better approach would be to write articles that are applicable to these athletes considering that they are assisted.

This will require that you learn about drug use and how nutrition can be adjusted to maximize results during and after a cycle.

[quote]joeymac wrote:
emmm…this is a bodybuilding site…[/quote]

Is natural bodybuilding not “bodybuilding” in your eyes?

[quote]joeymac wrote:
emmm…this is a bodybuilding site…[/quote]

Yeah I know. But you do it the hard-work way, right? I figured out of all the bb forums this one is the most likely to have intelligent “athletes” rather than dumb grunting belldroppers.

Are you saying there is no reason to choose real food over chemical supplements in order to improve size, strength and performance?

Shame.

[quote]Game Timewrote:
Maybe post some pics of natural BB’s. Just shows them that you don’t need gear to look good. [/quote]

Great Idea!

[quote]Keithcuda Wrote:
why don’t you take the time to learn about them and then you might understand… you sound just like everyone else that are against people taking some type of gear. seems like the type of people that know nothing about them are completely against them. but if you take the time and effort to understand them and know more about them then im sure you would change your mind. [/quote]

I completely agree with you. I’ve just got the job this week and am now faced with this new subject matter. Here was my first port of call to get some basic leads…I dont even know the NAMES of steriods to being research and learning!

I am not “against” anything. I am just obviously wanting their money in MY pocket not the dealers, yeah? :wink:

[quote]HK24719 Wrote:
why don’t you take the time to learn about them and then you might understand… you sound just like everyone else that are against people taking some type of gear. seems like the type of people that know nothing about them are completely against them. but if you take the time and effort to understand them and know more about them then im sure you would change your mind. [/quote]

Very wise. I will try and expand my horizons a little. I just need some titbits to bite and run with…

[quote]joeymac wrote:
emmm…this is a bodybuilding site…[/quote]

I can’t speak for the guys juicing in the OP, but there are plenty of people who SHOULD NOT be using steroids that do use gear.

BF,

Why are you against the use of steroids?

Why do you want guys to stop using juice?

As you already admitted, you’re completely uneducated about them. I’d start reading the stickies at the top of the steroids forum. That’ll give you some basic info about gear.

[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
joeymac wrote:
emmm…this is a bodybuilding site…

Yeah I know. But you do it the hard-work way, right? I figured out of all the bb forums this one is the most likely to have intelligent “athletes” rather than dumb grunting juice guzzlers.

Are you saying there is no reason to choose real food over chemical supplements in order to improve size, strength and performance?

Shame.
[/quote]

This is where you’re going to catch the most flak. Why are all people who use gear “dumb grunting juice guzzlers”? Some of the most intelligible people on this site (IMHO) use gear.

Just because people use gear doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t work hard.

Real food, hard work, legal supps, and consistency are only going to get you so far. ONCE ONE HAS REACHED THAT POINT, using gear can be justified.

There’s a steroid forum on this site, very informative. Start there but you won’t learn everything in one night. There are ways to do things right and there are ways to do things wrong. If you know enough, you can show people the right direction.

I’m not saying promote it, but if somebody’s using, your best help offer would be to make sure they’re doing it right. And that includes nutritional help, too, in fact it’s a big part of it.

i wasnt implying that natural bodybuilding isnt bodybuilding but in what other circles is the use of anabolics accepted so readily???its part of the iron game simple as

[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:

Very wise. I will try and expand my horizons a little. I just need some titbits to bite and run with…[/quote]

go to the steriod forum… Read the stickies… then from there you can ask questions on the sterioid forum for greater explanations…

hope that helps.

[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
HK24719 Wrote:
why don’t you take the time to learn about them and then you might understand… you sound just like everyone else that are against people taking some type of gear. seems like the type of people that know nothing about them are completely against them. but if you take the time and effort to understand them and know more about them then im sure you would change your mind.
[/quote]

I didn’t write that.

[quote]Game Time wrote:
Maybe post some pics of natural BB’s. Just shows them that you don’t need gear to look good.[/quote]

What if it’s not their goal to “look good” but rather look like Ronnie?

Just sayin’.

[quote]HK24719 wrote:
beautifulfreak wrote:
HK24719 Wrote:
why don’t you take the time to learn about them and then you might understand… you sound just like everyone else that are against people taking some type of gear. seems like the type of people that know nothing about them are completely against them. but if you take the time and effort to understand them and know more about them then im sure you would change your mind.

I didn’t write that.[/quote]

LOL

Sorry HK24719 - lazy cut/paste job on the quoting lol
Should have read:

[quote]
HK24719 Wrote:
A better approach would be to write articles that are applicable to these athletes considering that they are assisted.

This will require that you learn about drug use and how nutrition can be adjusted to maximize results during and after a cycle.

Very wise. I will try and expand my horizons a little. I just need some titbits to bite and run with…

Thanks for all the input and ideas, I will definitley cruise around the steriod section and start off with the basics.[/quote]

JFTR I dont want people to come off steriods necessarily, but the valid point that has been brought to my attention from the other longer-serving PT’s at this particular gym was that “no-one will want to spend their money on you and buying decent food when they can spend it all on gear”.

Apologies for the dumb grunting comment, I should have differenciated between the users who work hard and use steriods as part of a well rounded training regieme…and the guys who train back and biceps 4x pw, eat shit, drink beer, throw weights to the ground and shoot up afterwards :wink: There is a difference, I know that much. I’m dealing with the latter.

Many thanks for the input guys x

Only SERIOUS bodybuilders (that use steroids) should have any need for a trainer. That is to say that these users are most likely recreational users of steroids, yet do not even have the fundamental idea of how to train properly. If you are a recreational user you CERTAINLY should know how to train BEFORE ever even reading about steroids.

I would inform them that if they do not know how to train, and eat properly, most of the gains made from steroids will disappear upon cessation of the drugs. Oh and also 90% of people that use are retard and aren’t using them correctly, maybe try that.

[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Only SERIOUS bodybuilders (that use steroids) should have any need for a trainer. That is to say that these users are most likely recreational users of steroids, yet do not even have the fundamental idea of how to train properly. If you are a recreational user you CERTAINLY should know how to train BEFORE ever even reading about steroids.

I would inform them that if they do not know how to train, and eat properly, most of the gains made from steroids will disappear upon cessation of the drugs. Oh and also 90% of people that use are retard and aren’t using them correctly, maybe try that. [/quote]

Thats exactly precisely my point, thankyou :slight_smile: Love the av, lol.

Oh goodie. Another personal trainer ready to preach to the world about something they know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about.

Get in line, Dorthy.

My advice is this

You are going to need to learn as much as you can about steroids if you want to be taken seriously by those guys. If you come off as someone who knows something about steroids, possibly more than they do, they would be more inclined to listen to what you have to say.

If you can gain their trust that way it may be easier to get your point across about some of your other opinions.