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Contaminated Chinese Drugs

I am all for free trade but it is well past time to crack down on China.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

I am all for free trade but it is well past time to crack down on China.[/quote]

I take an asthma med and have told the doc that I won’t take anything from China. He then gave me a new med — scary, huh? WTF was I taking before?

I now understand why you voted Hillary.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

I am all for free trade but it is well past time to crack down on China.[/quote]

It’s past time. Their shit needs to sit on the docks and be inspected thoroughly. Eventually people will stop importing the crap they produce…That would be a happy…I piss on Nixon’s grave for establishing trade with those cocksuckers (not the people, the gov.)

[quote]pat wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

I am all for free trade but it is well past time to crack down on China.

It’s past time. Their shit needs to sit on the docks and be inspected thoroughly. Eventually people will stop importing the crap they produce…That would be a happy…I piss on Nixon’s grave for establishing trade with those cocksuckers (not the people, the gov.)[/quote]

And don’t think for one second that our shit wouldn’t sit and rot on their docks if the situation were reversed.

[quote]pat wrote:

It’s past time. Their shit needs to sit on the docks and be inspected thoroughly. Eventually people will stop importing the crap they produce…That would be a happy…I piss on Nixon’s grave for establishing trade with those cocksuckers (not the people, the gov.)[/quote]

No, it’s the people - some of them anyway. The government really, really doesn’t want them cutting corners and hurting the export market, but it’s like the wild west over there in terms of regulatory enforcement. And of course there are corrupt individual regulators: http://www.wbez.org/Program_WV_Segment.aspx?segmentID=11954 There are large factories that nobody knows what they make - they just found out a Chinese factory was producing “Free Tibet” flags and exporting them, making the government non-plussed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7370903.stm

We need to seriously up the resources for inspections of goods at the border - randomized inspections and testing of all products meant for ingestion or other internal uses, along with lesser inspections for other products. The other step is to hold the importer liable for anything that is imported.

How about a boycott? Quit buying all the crap that sucks. Vote with your wallet.

No need to punish the entire country of China and America at the same time.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
How about a boycott? Quit buying all the crap that sucks. Vote with your wallet.

No need to punish the entire country of China and America at the same time.[/quote]

Sometimes, especially with drugs, you just don’t know.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
How about a boycott? Quit buying all the crap that sucks. Vote with your wallet.

No need to punish the entire country of China and America at the same time.[/quote]

It’s too hard to tell who manufactures what right now. Remember how long it took them to pinpoint the manufacturer of the tainted pet food - come to think of it, I don’t know that they ever pinpointed all of them.

The more I think about it, the more I think that the key for the U.S. is to make the importers liable for any imported product. Right now there are too many entities in between the producers of the goods and the ultimate retailers.

Indeed, sometimes we don’t know what we are purchasing but to expect an outside agency to inspect everything is overreaching. Typically, when bad products hit the market it doesn’t take too long for the information to get disseminated to customers. Caveat emptor.

BTW, with the lead paint discovery, it was a private organization in central or South America that pointed it out. One more example of private industry being ahead of “official” government policy.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
How about a boycott? Quit buying all the crap that sucks. Vote with your wallet.

No need to punish the entire country of China and America at the same time.[/quote]

A boycott does little good to those that have bought products that originated from China - like nutritionless pet food, ethylene glycol based toothpaste… and how about that worthless baby formula that killed a lot of children in China? Hm? What does a boycott do?

[quote]kroby wrote:
A boycott does little good to those that have bought products that originated from China - like nutritionless pet food, ethylene glycol based toothpaste… and how about that worthless baby formula that killed a lot of children in China? Hm? What does a boycott do?[/quote]

No, it doesn’t do any good for dead or victimized people. It’s the people who get learn from the discovery of that information I was thinking about. A boycott only punishes the producer.

What does a lawsuit do after the fact? Legal proceedings don’t bring dead people back to life but they do punish the guilty and provide recompense to the victim.

A boycott is just another peaceful mechanism for expressing dissent.

To give yourself a good shot of avoiding inadvertently purchasing cheap Chinese shit, avoid walmart.

I can’t stand when I see this bullshit.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
No, it’s the people - some of them anyway. The government really, really doesn’t want them cutting corners and hurting the export market, but it’s like the wild west over there in terms of regulatory enforcement. [/quote]

BostoneBarrister is ABSOLUTELY right on this. It’s sort of politically correct to say that it’s the government (and don’t get me wrong there is plenty of corruption there) and not the people but it is the people, or some of them at least.
There is a culture devoid of ethics and a pimp-like “get over” mentality amongst much of the population.

Of course, I dont have many good things to say about the drug industry in the US either but the lack of ethics in China is pandemic.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
How about a boycott? Quit buying all the crap that sucks. Vote with your wallet.
.[/quote]

Very easy to do…just dont buy ANYTHING from Wal-mart, Target or any of those other stores that sell large quantities of plastic crap.

[quote]msd0060 wrote:
To give yourself a good shot of avoiding inadvertently purchasing cheap Chinese shit, avoid walmart.

I can’t stand when I see this bullshit.[/quote]

Remember years ago how they proudly advertized that everything in the store was ‘made by Americans, for Americans’? Then they got caught in the lie.

I realize that they have to compete, but they do rely on our ignorance A LOT.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
kroby wrote:
A boycott does little good to those that have bought products that originated from China - like nutritionless pet food, ethylene glycol based toothpaste… and how about that worthless baby formula that killed a lot of children in China? Hm? What does a boycott do?

No, it doesn’t do any good for dead or victimized people. It’s the people who get learn from the discovery of that information I was thinking about. A boycott only punishes the producer.

What does a lawsuit do after the fact? Legal proceedings don’t bring dead people back to life but they do punish the guilty and provide recompense to the victim.

A boycott is just another peaceful mechanism for expressing dissent.[/quote]

Lawsuit? I didn’t mention a lawsuit or even imply such. Civil litigation (to me) is nothing more than retribution. There is no justice. Justice would be returing those dead to life that died.

If you sue to stop the company from ever doing business again, thus arresting it from harming people further… that’s a good reason. But money? Money does not sooth the truly grieving.

An individual persons boycott is nothing more than consumer choice. That is not dissent. A national boycott will speak words. That is disfavor.

[quote]entheogens wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
No, it’s the people - some of them anyway. The government really, really doesn’t want them cutting corners and hurting the export market, but it’s like the wild west over there in terms of regulatory enforcement.

BostoneBarrister is ABSOLUTELY right on this. It’s sort of politically correct to say that it’s the government (and don’t get me wrong there is plenty of corruption there) and not the people but it is the people, or some of them at least.
There is a culture devoid of ethics and a pimp-like “get over” mentality amongst much of the population.

Of course, I dont have many good things to say about the drug industry in the US either but the lack of ethics in China is pandemic.

[/quote]

Well, I have to agree. Forgive my political correctness, it was an unintentional slip.