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Conspiracy 9/11

This thread is for all of you to voice out about what really happened on 9/11. We know some of you think that it was probably staged and somehow involved Dick Cheney and a remote control. Personally I am going to go with terrorist islamofags did it, but like I said, lets hear from every point of view.

Let’s not discuss it.

Bush told a bunch of Jews from Israel to Hijack a bunch of planes and fly them in to strategic targets such as government buildings and financial centers. Then Bush made up the idenetities of the hijackers and said they were muslims from the middle east when everybody knows it was the Jews.

The they got this Jewish guy to mail a bunch of letters with anthrax on it to news outlets and congressmen.

Act three was when we, with Israel detonated a nuclear bomb in the Indian Ocean to cause the tsunami.

Act four, Israel provided Bush with a remote control for the device they put in Hurricane Katrina so that he could steer it right over New Orleans so they could wipe out a bunch of refineries and raise gas prices.

Everybody knows this, why do we even have to discuss it.

This is the worst thread idea I can remember. It has been done and overdone. If you are truly interested in the various points of view, do search and spend days reading.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are actually a misinformation campaign started by the Bush presidency. Thanks to those efforts any opposition to the Pax Americana can be instantly dismissed as a conspiracy thory.

nah j/k. Dumbest topic ever.

A bunch of angry extremists hijacked airplanes and crushed some of them on US targets.

Anyone who claims otherwise is doing so to deflect the debate from more important issues.

John F. Kennedy’s zombie conspired with the ghost of Martin Luther King Jr. and the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln to bring the evil American Empire to it’s knees…

Or it was a bunch of pissed off Muslims. Either or.

Call Rosie. Her number is 800-pumpkinhead-dyke. She’ll fill you in.

Elvis.

[quote]jumper wrote:
Personally I am going to go with terrorist islamofags did it [/quote]

Based on what? I’m not sure what it is about the “terrorist story” but the case for “terrorists” has progressively gotten weaker every single day since 9/11.

EVERY… EVERY, brand new piece of evidence points directly AWAY from a terrorist plot. Those are the FACTS, like it or not.

There is SO MUCH contrary information, no rational person can possibly look at the literally HUNDREDS of coincidences, blunders, warnings, miscues and physical impossibilities and conclude it was “19 lucky terrorists w/box cutters”.

Al Qaeda does not even exist as an organization, AND IT NEVER HAS…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t0C01k0n20&mode=related&search=

After 9/11, Bush left our borders WIDE OPEN and we invaded I-R-A-Q…

U.S. Firms Aiding Iraqi Oil Industry - Commerce With Baghdad Grows Quietly as Washington Urges Regime Change
The Washington Post
February 20, 2000
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm

US says Halliburton Deal Includes Operating Iraq Oil Fields
WASHINGTON - The US Army has revealed for the first time that a subsidiary of Halliburton Co. has a contract encompassing the operation of Iraqi oil fields, a senior US lawmaker said.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0507-01.htm

Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil
Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,940250,00.html


Obviously the “rational” story is that 19 bungling Arabs spent millions of dollars and several years training – who BTW tried everything they could to get busted it seems…

Maryland police release hijacker traffic stop video

Another hijacker was stopped for traffic violation
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/01/09/inv.hijacker.traffic.stops/

FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools

FAA Probed, Cleared Sept. 11 Hijacker in Early 2001
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52408,00.html

Government Had 2.5 Terabytes of Data on Atta
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=24

… and in the end these “teflon hijackers” do the ONE THING that this OIL administration wanted and NEEDED to start a PRE-PLANNED war with IRAQ?

How convenient.

Washington’s $8 Billion Shadow
…9/11 was a personal tragedy for thousands of families and a national tragedy for all of America, but it was very, very good for SAIC.

In the aftermath of the attacks, the Bush administration launched its Global War on Terror, whose chief consequence has been to channel money by the tens of billions into companies promising they could do something–anything–to help…

Unlike traditional wars, which eventually come to an end, the Global War on Terror as defined by the Bush administration can have no end: it is a permanent war–the perfect war for a company that has become an essential component of the permanent government…
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703?printable=true&currentPage=all

Terrorism has become a growth industry – that’s why the US wants more of it.

Are you smarter than a fifth grader…???

A Cloak But No Dagger
Washington Post
May 18, 2002
On the morning of Sept. 11, Porter Goss and Bob Graham were having breakfast with a Pakistani general named Mahmud Ahmed – the soon-to-be-sacked head of Pakistan’s intelligence service. Ahmed ran a spy agency notoriously close to Osama bin Laden and the Taliban…

Did ally Pakistan play role in 9-11?
January 30, 2002
WASHINGTON – India’s Central Bureau of Investigation is turning up evidence that is proving inconvenient for the Bush administration as it tries to maintain its shaky alliance with Pakistan…

According to accounts in both The Times of India and India Today, former ISI chief Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad instructed Sheikh to send the $100,000 to Atta

The Times says Ahmad lost his job only after India shared with the FBI evidence showing a link between the general and Sheikh’s wiring of funds to Atta…

Bush nominates Goss to head CIA
August 11, 2004
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/10/cia.goss/

Goss: CIA resignation ‘one of those mysteries’
May 6, 2006
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/06/goss.resignation/

To summarize: The Pakistani head of intelligence, who was having breakfast with PORTER GOSS on the MORNING OF 9/11–LOST HIS JOB, because he had arranged for $100,000 to be wired to the LEAD HIJACKER, MOHAMED ATTA… Porter Goss is later appointed to head of the CIA by Bush.


And who can forget the Anthrax attacks?

Why Daschle and Leahy?
Nov. 21, 2001 - The anthrax story returned to the front pages last week, when it was revealed that another leading Democratic senator was mailed a letter containing the deadly bacteria.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., was the second prominent Democrat to be targeted, following Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. But so far, no Washington officials or media commentators seem willing to publicly ask the question that is quietly nagging many people on Capitol Hill: Were Democrats specifically targeted for anthrax attacks? And given growing evidence that they were, why is no one talking about it?
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/11/21/anthrax/index_np.html

Why indeed…

Senate Democrats, White House Reach a Deal on Anti-Terror Bill
Oct 4, 2001
Besides the immigration provision, Leahy and other Democrats have been at odds with the Justice Department on several key provisions of the administration bill, including one that would permit law enforcement and intelligence agencies to share wiretap and grand jury information in the absence of a court order.

Under the agreement reached last night, the administration partly addressed Leahy’s concerns about the inappropriate use of such material by agreeing to limit its distribution to officials with an explicit need for the information, Senate sources said.

But the administration “flatly refused” to accept Leahy’s proposal to require that a judge approve the sharing of such information either before or after it occurs, according to a participant in the talks…

“People are being told that if they do not sign onto this bill they will be blamed for the next terrorist act,” said Jerry Berman, director of the Center for Democracy and Technology…

What a coincidence.

Judicial Watch Wants to Know Why White House Went on Cipro Beginning September 11th
http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

Don’t you?

We know what happened, Islamists flew planes into the WTC buildings and the Pentagon.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
We know what happened, Islamists flew planes into the WTC buildings and the Pentagon.[/quote]

These guys and a hundred plus more Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials with similar credentials say different…

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Retired U.S. Air Force fighter pilot (F-111, F-15E, F-16, B-1, F-18, Mig-29, and Suu-22). Flew combat missions over Iraq. Former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. 20-year Air Force career.

Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Former combat fighter pilot (F-15E and F-111). Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career. Currently commercial airline pilot.

Louis Freeh - Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001. Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.

Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret) - Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1 and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727)

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army Reserve - Commander of Special Troops Battalion, 9th Theater Support Command. Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the Able Danger data mining program that targeted Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. Fellow, Center for Advanced Defense Studies. 23-year military intelligence career.

Col. David Hunt, MA, U.S. Army (ret) - Expert in Special Operations, Counter Terrorism and Intelligence Operations. Most recently, served as Tactical Advisor in Bosnia where he facilitated all national intelligence matters for the Commander in Chief. Coordinated a $350,000,000 national security program for the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency in 1997. 29-year Army career. Currently author and media commentator on terrorism and military operations.

Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) - Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attache in China. 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence. Currently, professor of history and international relations at the University of Maryland.

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force - Former Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777’s. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC)

“The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple.”

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

But you believe who you want…

Bush Opposes 9/11 Query Panel

Bush, Cheney meet with 9/11 panel
Bush and Cheney did not testify before the panel – they were not under oath and there was to be no recording made of the session nor a stenographer in the room…

Bush brushed off a question from a reporter Thursday on whether 9/11 families were entitled to a transcript of the session.

“You asked me that question yesterday,” Bush replied. “I got the same answer.”
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bush.911.commission/

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Sloth wrote:
We know what happened, Islamists flew planes into the WTC buildings and the Pentagon.

These guys and a hundred plus more Senior Military, Intelligence, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials with similar credentials say different…

Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Retired U.S. Air Force fighter pilot (F-111, F-15E, F-16, B-1, F-18, Mig-29, and Suu-22). Flew combat missions over Iraq. Former instructor at the USAF Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. 20-year Air Force career.

Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) - Former combat fighter pilot (F-15E and F-111). Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career. Currently commercial airline pilot.

Louis Freeh - Director of the FBI, 1993 - 2001. Former U.S. District Court Judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed by President George H.W. Bush. Former Deputy United States Attorney in New York. Former FBI agent. Former officer in the United States Army JAG Corps Reserve.

Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret) - Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1 and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727)

Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army Reserve - Commander of Special Troops Battalion, 9th Theater Support Command. Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the Able Danger data mining program that targeted Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. Fellow, Center for Advanced Defense Studies. 23-year military intelligence career.

Col. David Hunt, MA, U.S. Army (ret) - Expert in Special Operations, Counter Terrorism and Intelligence Operations. Most recently, served as Tactical Advisor in Bosnia where he facilitated all national intelligence matters for the Commander in Chief. Coordinated a $350,000,000 national security program for the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency in 1997. 29-year Army career. Currently author and media commentator on terrorism and military operations.

Major John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) - Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency. Former military attache in China. 21-year career in U.S. Army Intelligence. Currently, professor of history and international relations at the University of Maryland.

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force - Former Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Commercial pilot for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years, flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777’s. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines airplanes that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC)

“The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple.”

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

But you believe who you want…

Bush Opposes 9/11 Query Panel

Bush, Cheney meet with 9/11 panel
Bush and Cheney did not testify before the panel – they were not under oath and there was to be no recording made of the session nor a stenographer in the room…

Bush brushed off a question from a reporter Thursday on whether 9/11 families were entitled to a transcript of the session.

“You asked me that question yesterday,” Bush replied. “I got the same answer.”
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bush.911.commission/
[/quote]

Ok, and? Do you want to turn it into a name and title contest? I won’t play that game. You already know I can drop a ton of expert names.

By the way, you’re the same guy who posted a beam cut by a torch as evidence of demolition, aren’t you? Hehe.

Ok, I’m game. Who flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon?

Hehe, never mind all the Al Qaeda confessions folks! It was…hmm…the Jews? Or the Illuminati? Lizard people?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, and? Do you want to turn it into a name and title contest? I won’t play that game. You already know I can drop a ton of expert names.

By the way, you’re the same guy who posted a beam cut by a torch as evidence of demolition, aren’t you? Hehe.[/quote]

First of all you won’t show me an expert, with regard to the actual collapse of the buildings, that doesn’t in some way depend on the government for his livelihood or isn’t afraid of losing his job.

Regardless of whether or not a beam was cut by explosives, or a torch after-the-fact, anyone who still maintains the WTC buildings collapsed by fire and “gravity” is a shill or an idiot, being that the collapses were a physical IMPOSSIBILITY barring controlled demolition…

“Can an object fall through mass 5 times greater than itself nearly as fast as it would fall through air? (When the only force available is gravity)”
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/110407fall.htm

It cannot be explained ANY simpler than that.

If you say different, than you believe all three building collapses on 9/11 violated the law of physics–that the UNDAMAGED portions of the buildings below the impact zones offered the exact same resistance as if the top 1/3 of the building was just suspended IN AIR and dropped.

You can confuse people with technical mumbo jumbo all day long–in the end its still a PHYSICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. Period.

Cal-Tech Physicist weighs in on collapse
http://innworldreport.net/video_launcher.php?2007-04-23i


In regard to Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, the verdict is also in:

OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11 FLIGHT 77 CONTRADICTED BY GOVERNMENT’S OWN DATA
Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain their 2002 report, “Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 77”, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 77’s Flight Data Recorder.

The data provided by the NTSB contradict the 9/11 Commission Report in several significant ways:

  1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.

  2. All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.

  3. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense “5 Frames” video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.

  4. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.

  5. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

In August, 2006, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

It simple terms, the actual flight data from Flight 77 proves the official version is a LIE.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, I’m game. Who flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon?[/quote]

More like, who rolled out the red carpet for the unknowing patsies?

CIA Visas For Patsies
J. Michael Springmann, formerly chief of the visa section at the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, has testified that he rejected hundreds of suspicious visa applications by Saudi Arabian men similar to those named as the 9/11 Hijackers Patsies when he was head of the consular section of the US embassy in Jeddah, but CIA officers repeatedly overruled him and ordered the visas to be issued.

Springmann protested to the State Department, the Office of Diplomatic Security, the FBI, the Justice Department and congressional committees, but was told to shut up. He later realized that this was a CIA operation, and wrote about it in the Spring 1997 issue of the journal Unclassified.

After 9/11, Springmann observed that 15 of the 19 Hijackers Patsies got their visas from the very same CIA controlled consulate in Jeddah.
http://911review.org/Wiki/CiaVisasForPatsies.shtml

Hijackers Patsies
http://www.911review.org/Wiki/HijackersPatsies.shtml

Hijackers Got Visas With Little Scrutiny, GAO Reports
At least 13 of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers were never interviewed by U.S. consular officials before being granted visas to enter the United States…

The easy path to the United States for three of the 9/11 hijackers
12/12/01
Three of the hijackers in the September 11 terrorist attacks obtained visas in Saudi Arabia through a brand-new program designed to make it easier for qualified visa applicants to visit the United States, an American government official said tonight.

The Visa Express program, put in place just four months before the attacks, allowed the three hijackers to arrange their visas through a State Department-designated travel agency, the official says. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers obtained their U.S. travel visas in Saudi Arabia…
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/terror/articles/visa011212.htm

“A Visa Express program put in place just four months before the attacks

Report Says FAA Got 52 Warnings Before 9/11
The report detailed 52 such warnings to FAA leaders between April 1 and Sept. 10, 2001, about the terrorist organization and its leader, Osama bin Laden.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13203-2005Feb10.html

Hey! This looks like a great time to implement a Visa Express Program for Saudis! And while were at it…

Armed pilots banned 2 months before 911
FAA rescinded rule allowing guns in cockpits just before terror attacks

A 40-year-old Federal Aviation Administration rule that allowed commercial airline pilots to be armed was inexplicably rescinded two months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks

“Al Qaeda confessions” You mean like Moussaoui?

FBI: Moussaoui not involved
19/10/2003
Washington - The US Federal Bureau of Investigation has concluded that Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person charged in America in connection with the September 11 attacks, was not involved in the strikes, Time magazine reported on Sunday.

Feds Ask To Toss Moussaoui Case
Sept. 25, 2003

US reaction to Moussaoui’s shock testimony
Moussaoui’s claim of involvement in 9/11 was a “jaw-dropping U-turn”, says Newsday
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2006/03/28/us_reaction_to_moussaouis_shock_testimony.html

MSNBC VIDEO: Moussaoui wore ‘stun belt’ for new testimony
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/280306_b_belt.htm

50,000 Volts will make you ‘confess’ anything
http://www.cmaq.net/en/node/24101

Briefing: why Moussaoui confession doesn’t add up

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok, I’m game. Who flew those planes into the WTC and Pentagon?[/quote]

I got a question.

How do 2 planes hit the twin towers, and 45 minutes later a plane strike the Pentagon, allegedly the most protected building in the nation, without being intercepted, while being tracked on radar the entire time by the vice president?

How does that happen and no one is held accountable for the gross negligence?

[quote]jumper wrote:
This thread is for all of you to voice out about what really happened on 9/11. We know some of you think that it was probably staged and somehow involved Dick Cheney and a remote control. Personally I am going to go with terrorist islamofags did it, but like I said, lets hear from every point of view. [/quote]

Yeah, it’s amazing how a dying islamic imam in a cave got NORAD to stand down, just amazing…